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THAN 2,000 TREES THROUGH STAFF 

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PLANTING PROJECTS, VOLUNTEER 

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CONTRIBUTIONS, AND DEVELOPMENT 

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PLANTINGS; AND WHEREAS, FREMONT 

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COMPLETED VITAL MAINTENANCE ON 

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MORE THAN 800 TREES THROUGH 

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STAFF AND VENDORS; AND WHEREAS, 

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FREMONT ADOPTED AN URBAN FOREST 

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MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WILL GUIDE 

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THE CITY IN REACHING GOALS OF 

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SUFFICIENT, SUSTAINABLE, AND 

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EQUITABLE TREE CANOPY. NOW, 

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THEREFORE, THE CITY COUNCIL OF 

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THE CITY OF FREMONT HEREBY 

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PROCLAIMS MARCH 14, 2025, AS THE 

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CITY OF FREMONT'S ARBOR DAY AND 

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ENCOURAGES ALL RESIDENTS OF 

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FREMONT TO PLANT AND CARE FOR 

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TREES, AS THEY PROMOTE THE 

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WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR 

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THIS AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.

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AND AGAIN ACCEPTING THIS ARE 

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STEVE AND TERRI LANDON FROM 

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NILES ROTARY.

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AND JAN LEIMERT AND JANICE

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 LEUNG FROM URBAN FOREST 

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FRIENDS.

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I WILL INVITE YOU TO SAY A FEW 

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WORDS.

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>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL 

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AND CITY OF FREMONT.

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NILES ROTARY HAS BEEN HELPING 

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PLANT TREES IN FREMONT FOR THE 

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LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

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I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE'VE 

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PLANTED OVER -- WELL OVER 200 

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TREES.

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IT'S ONE OF OUR FAVORITE 

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PROJECTS, AND THE WHOLE CLUB 

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LIKES TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

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SO I WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF 

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FREMONT FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF 

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THAT, AND WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO 

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PLANT LOVELY TREES IN THE CITY 

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FOR MANY YEARS.

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THANK YOU.

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>> I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CITY 

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OF FREMONT BECAUSE PLANTING THE 

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TREES IS THE EASY PART.

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TAKING CARE OF THE TREES AND 

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MAKING SURE THAT THEY GROW AND 

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GET WATER, THAT'S THE HARD PART, 

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AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY IS 

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COMMITTED TO.

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THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE I'D LIKE TO 

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THANK PERSONALLY.

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IT'S THE SUPERVISORS AT CENTRAL 

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PARK, ALEX DIASTATO, JUAN

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 BARRAHAS AND ERNIE MARIAH, 

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WITHOUT THEIR HELP WE WOULDN'T 

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BE ABLE TO PLANT THESE TREES SO 

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THANK YOU, CITY OF FREMONT, 

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

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>> URBAN FOREST FRIENDS ALSO 

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WANTS TO THANK THE 

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COUNCILMEMBERS FOR THEIR SUPPORT 

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FOR TREE PLANTING, WHICH IS 

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REFLECTED IN THE GRANT THAT THE 

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CITY IS NOW USING FOR US AND THE 

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CITY TO BE ABLE TO PLANT TREES.

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AND ALSO FOR THE CITY COUNCIL 

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BEING INVOLVED IN OUR PLANTINGS 

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AT TIMES, WE APPRECIATE THAT IN 

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THIS LAST WEEK AND A HALF.

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AND LAST YEAR.

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AND WE ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE 

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THE STAFF, CITY STAFF, 

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PARTICULARLY CHRIS CURRY, WHO IS 

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THE MANAGER FOR THE FREMONT 

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URBAN FOREST PLAN BECAUSE HE'S 

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BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN WORKING 

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WITH US AND ALL OF THE OTHER 

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PLAYERS TO GET THINGS TO HAPPEN, 

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PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE OF YOU 

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THAT DON'T KNOW, THE UNIFIED 

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SCHOOL -- FREMONT UNIFIED SCHOOL 

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DISTRICT HAS AGREED TO HAVE TREE 

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PLANTING ON CAMPUSES, WHICH HAS 

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BEEN AN ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME TO 

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GET MORE SHADE, COOL THE 

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CAMPUSES FOR THE STUDENTS, AND 

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CHRIS HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN 

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WORKING WITH US, WITH THE -- AND 

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WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO HAVE 

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THAT HAPPEN.

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SO WE WORK WITH HUNDREDS OF 

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VOLUNTEERS EVERY YEAR, AND WE 

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THANK THEM AND EVERYONE INVOLVED 

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IN MAKING IT POSSIBLE.

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THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU.

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SO I AM THE URBAN

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 FORESTRY MANAGER FOR THE CITY 

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OF FREMONT.

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CAL FIRE CALLS THIS COMMUNITY 

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AND URBAN FORESTRY.

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THEY ALWAYS PUT THAT TOGETHER.

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IT REALLY IS THE COMMUNITY THAT 

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MAKES IT HAPPEN IN TERMS OF 

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TREES IN A CITY.

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TREES MAKE A CITY SO MUCH MORE 

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LIVABLE, JUST SO MUCH A BETTER 

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PLACE FOR US TO RAISE OUR 

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FAMILIES AND LIVE IN.

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AND THE COMMUNITY PART OF THAT 

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IS PEOPLE LIKE JUST TALKED TO 

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YOU RIGHT HERE.

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WE REALLY WANTED TO POINT THEM 

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OUT AND BRING THEM HERE AND GIVE 

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THEM OPPORTUNITY TO ACCEPT THE 

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PROCLAMATION.

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IT'S FREMONT'S WAY OF SAYING WE 

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HAVE A COMMITMENT TO TREES, TO 

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LIVABILITY, TO GREEN SPACES, TO 

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NATURAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, AND 

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WE RECOGNIZE THESE ARE SOME OF 

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THE MANY RESIDENTS THAT ARE 

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REALLY HELPING US MAKE THAT 

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HAPPEN.

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SO I HAVE GENUINE HEARTFELT

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 APPRECIATION FOR EVERYONE 

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STANDING HERE.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: I JUST WANTED 

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TO MENTION, WE HAD A GREAT EVENT 

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AT CABRILLO WHERE WE PLANTED 

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TREES ALL AROUND CABRILLO, WHICH 

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IS A VERY DESERVING SCHOOL, AND 

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I WAS JOINED BY COUNCILMEMBER 

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KIMBERLIN AND VICE MAYOR 

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CAMPBELL AS WELL, SO THAT WAS A 

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WONDERFUL OCCASION AND HOPEFULLY 

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THOSE TREES WILL BE WELL SERVED 

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FOR MANY YEARS.

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WITH THAT, CAN WE TAKE A QUICK 

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PHOTO BEFORE YOU GUYS GO?

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COME ON IN, GUYS.

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WHOEVER PARTICIPATED, COME ON 

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IN.

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ROTARIANS.

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DON'T BE SHY.

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OKAY, SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GO 

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INTO ORAL COMMUNICATIONS.

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ANY PERSON DESIRING TO SPEAK ON 

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A MATTER WHICH IS NOT SCHEDULED 

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ON THE AGENDA MAY DO SO UNDER 

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THE ORAL COMMUNICATIONS SECTION 

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OF PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS.

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COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED VIA 

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EMAIL WILL BE PLACED ON FILE AND 

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CONSIDERED PART OF THE PUBLIC 

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RECORD.

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THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR 

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PEOPLE TO SPEAK ON ANY ISSUE 

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AGAIN THAT IS NOT ON THE 

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AGENDA.

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THE COUNCIL CANNOT TAKE ANY 

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ACTION NOR RESPOND TO ITEMS THAT 

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ARE BROUGHT UP UNDER ORAL 

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COMMUNICATION COMMENT PERIOD.

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HOWEVER, THE ITEM COULD BE 

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AGENDIZED FOR A FUTURE MEETING.

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WHEN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF AN 

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ORGANIZATION, PLEASE STATE YOUR 

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NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION YOU ARE 

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REPRESENTING.

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A BELL WILL RING WHEN 30 SECONDS 

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REMAIN FOR YOU TO SUM UP YOUR 

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COMMENTS.

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THE BELL WILL RING AGAIN WHEN 

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YOUR TIME HAS ENDED.

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THE CITY CLERK WILL START THE 

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TIMER FOR EACH SPEAKER.

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HOW MANY --

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>> Ms. Gauthier: WE HAVE THREE 

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CARDS FOR ORAL COMMUNICATIONS.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THREE CARDS?

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OKAY.

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THERE'S THREE CARDS, SO I WILL 

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ALLOW 2 MINUTES EACH.

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>> Ms. Gauthier: DR. CARLOS 

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HERNANDEZ FOLLOWED BY RABBY

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 POWELLS FOLLOWED BY ANTHONY 

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PRINCE ?R. GOOD EVENING, 

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EVERYONE.

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I'M FROM THE BAY PHILHARMONIC.

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JUST WANT TO ANNOUNCE AN 

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UPCOMING CONCERT WE HAVE.

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THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ARETHA

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 TRIBUTE CONCERT.

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SHE'S LIKE A SPITTING IMAGE OF 

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ARETHA SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED.

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THAT'S THIS COMING SUNDAY, SO 

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THAT'S MARCH 16TH, NEXT SUNDAY, 

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AND THEN THE WEEKEND AFTER, IF 

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YOU'RE FREE ON SATURDAY WE ALSO 

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HAVE A YOUTH ORCHESTRA CONCERT 

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AND I'M THE MUSIC DIRECTOR OF 

[Captioner] 19:16:15
THE YOUTH ORCHESTRA.

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THAT WILL BE HERE IN FREMONT.

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SO IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, 

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FEEL FREE TO GO TO THE 

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BAYFIELD.ORG.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH, THANK YOU, 

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EVERYONE, FOR BEING HERE, THANK 

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YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS FOR THE 

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SUPPORT ALWAYS.

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>> GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE 

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CITY COUNCIL.

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CAN I START?

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>> Ms. Gauthier: GO AHEAD.

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>> MY NAME IS ANTHONY PRINCE.

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I'M UP WITH OF THE ORGANIZERS 

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AND THE GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE 

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CALIFORNIA HOMELESS UNION 

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STATEWIDE ORGANIZING COUNCIL.

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AND I'M SPEAKING ON THE LAWSUIT 

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THAT WE HAVE FILED THIS 

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AFTERNOON IN FEDERAL COURT 

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CHALLENGING WHAT WE BELIEVE IS 

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OFFICIALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL 

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ORDINANCE.

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AND I HAVE A COPY WITH ME NOW 

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WHICH IF I COULD APPROACH, I'D 

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LIKE TO SERVE THE CITY ATTORNEY 

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WITH, AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK 

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THE PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE STEPPED 

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UP AND BECOME PLAINTIFFS IN THIS 

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LAWSUIT, ORGANIZATIONAL 

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PLAINTIFFS.

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WE HAVE THE MARIN COUNTY 

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HOMELESS UNION, MISSION PEAK 

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UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST 

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CONGREGATION, THE FREMONT 

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HOMELESS UNION, FAITH AND ACTION 

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EAST BAY -- CHRISTY, BRAIDED 

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BRIDGE HOME BRIDGE CONNECT AND 

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WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF 

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FREMONT'S HOMELESS COMMUNITY, 

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KENT EATON, CORE EVEN GRIFFITH, 

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MICHAEL AUSTIN, MAURICE KING -- 

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SO WITH THAT, WE'LL LET OUR 

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COURT FILING DO MOST OF OUR 

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TALKING HERE.

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BUT I THINK THAT THE CITY 

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COUNCIL SHOULD CAREFULLY 

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CONSIDER WHETHER THEY SHOULD 

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TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO REPEAL 

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THIS PROBLEMATIC ORDINANCE OR 

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RUN THE RISK OF HAVING THE COURT 

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DECLARE TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL 

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ON ITS FACE BY WAY OF A 

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DECLARATORY JUDGMENT.

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AND SO WITH THAT, OTHERS TAKE MY 

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TIME.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

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THANK YOU ALL FOR STANDING UP 

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FOR EVERYONE IN THE CITY OF 

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FREMONT, HOUSED, UNHOUSED, AND 

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THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

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FREMONT FOR EVERYBODY SHOULD 

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INCLUDE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT 

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ONLY PROVIDING THE TENTS AND THE 

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FOOD AND THE MATERIALS, BUT 

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THOSE IN THE PARKS IF THEY ARE 

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IN POSSESSION OF THOSE ITEMS 

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WILL BE SUBJECT TO ARREST.

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IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S ALL FOR 

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ONE, ONE FOR ALL.

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WE CAN'T CARVE IT UP, WE CAN'T 

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TAKE OUT OBJECTIONABLE LANGUAGE 

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AND LET STAND THE 

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CRIMINALIZATION OF PEOPLE WHO 

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FOR THE MOST PART HAVE SPENT 

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THEIR ENTIRE LIVES CONTRIBUTING 

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TO THE WEALTH --

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU, 

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SIR.

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YOU CAN GIVE THE PAPERWORK TO 

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THE CITY CLERK.

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NEXT SPEAKER.

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>> I GUESS THAT'S ME?

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I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY.

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MY NAME IS ROBBY WITH THE 

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CALIFORNIA HOMELESS UNION.

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I WANT TO THANK ALL THE 

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EXCELLENT COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS 

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IN THE GREAT SPIRIT OF FREMONT 

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FOR COMING TOGETHER AND PUSHING 

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BACK AGAINST THIS UNFORTUNATE 

[Captioner] 19:19:18
VERY SAD TREND THAT WE'RE 

[Captioner] 19:19:18
SEEING.

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 IN CITIES.

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SO I JUST WANT TO COMMEND 

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EVERYBODY HERE WHO'S STEPPED UP 

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AND IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE.

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AND I BELIEVE THAT TOGETHER, WE 

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ARE GOING TO TURN BACK THIS 

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ORDINANCE, AND I THINK -- 

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ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR HAVING 

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US.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THAT 

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COMPLETES?

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WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEMS 

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REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT 

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CALENDAR.

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WE HAD ITEM 2C.

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>> Ms. Gauthier: DO YOU WANT TO 

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HEAR THE PUBLIC SPEAKER FIRST?

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>> Mayor Salwan: FOR ITEM 2C?

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>> Ms. Gauthier: YES.

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>> Mayor Salwan: SURE.

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IS THERE A PRESENTATION OR JUST 

[Captioner] 19:20:09
Q & A?

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JUST QUESTIONS?

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OKAY.

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SO COME ON UP, SIR.

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>> Ms. Gauthier: IT'S MR. 

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ABREU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: MR. ABREU.

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>> SO THE EAST BAY TIMES DID A 

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STORY ON -- SEVERAL STORIES ON 

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THIS LAKE, AND QUOTING FROM THE 

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STORY, BITS AND PIECES TV, THE 

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CITY LEASES THE MAJORITY OF THE 

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LAKE FROM THE COUNTY, 

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RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LAKE IS 

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SPREAD WIDELY OVER SEVERAL CITY 

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DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING COMMUNITY 

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DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY SERVICES 

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AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES.

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THE CITY -- CONTINUING TO QUOTE 

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FROM THE STORY, THE CITY IS IN 

[Captioner] 19:20:47
AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY FLOOD 

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CONTROL DISTRICT TO MAINTAIN THE 

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LAKE ACCORDING TO -- THE COUNTY 

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IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FLOW AND 

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QUALITY OF WATER INTO THE LAKE.

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DANIEL, DIRECTOR OF THE COUNTY 

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FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT, DID NOT 

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RETURN A REQUEST FOR COMMENT.

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NOW, A LOT OF THINGS ALL COME 

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TOGETHER AT MISSION PEAK, AND 

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THIS COUNCIL VOTED TO DEMAND AS 

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A LAND OWNER, AS THE OWNER OF 

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THAT PROPERTY, THE VETO POWER 

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OVER NEW RESTROOMS AT MISSION 

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PEAK.

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THEY WANTED TO NOT ALLOW ANY 

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IMPROVEMENTS AT THE PARK, AND 

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HERE WE ARE, AND THE TABLES ARE 

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REVERSED, THE POSITIONS ARE 

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REVERSED.

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THIS CITY IS THE LESSEE, AND THE 

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COUNTY IS THE LAND OWNER, AND 

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YOU'RE LEASING THIS THING FROM 

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THE COUNTY, AND I WANT TO KNOW, 

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WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COUNTY?

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DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO FIND 

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MR. DANIEL WOLDESENBET?

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DO YOU HAVE HIS SIGNATURE ON A 

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PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS THAT 

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THEY AGREE TO ALLOW YOU TO MAKE 

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IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PROPERTY?

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YOU KNOW, ALL THESE -- HELPING 

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THE FISH IS WONDERFUL, BUT THE 

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WAY THIS COUNTY -- THIS CITY 

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OPERATES, IT'S LEGALLY, YOU 

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KNOW, HYPOCRITICAL TO THE MAX.

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YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOOD

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 FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE 

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GANDER.

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YOU HAVE NEED TO GET OUT THERE 

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WITH YOUR LAND OWNER AND WORK 

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TOGETHER AND MAYBE THEY SHOULD 

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BE PAYING HALF OF THE COST OF 

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THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

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THINK ABOUT THAT.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: COUNCILMEMBER 

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KIMBERLIN.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: 

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OKAY.

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THANK YOU.

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SO I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS.

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MOSTLY THIS WAS INITIATED AND 

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INSPIRED BY I THINK ALL OF US 

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GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE COMMUNITY, 

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FROM DR. JOYCE BLUFORD WHO'S 

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DONE PRESERVATION WORK FOR YEARS 

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WITH DIFFERENT -- DUCK ISLAND 

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AND SOME DIFFERENT THINGS, SO 

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THROUGH THE CONVERSATION, SOME 

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THINGS THAT WERE PRESENTED, I 

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THOUGHT THIS IS A GOOD 

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OPPORTUNITY TO ASK YOU SOME 

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QUESTIONS.

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FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR 

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RESPONDING TO THE SITUATION 

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THERE.

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AND YOU KNOW, DOING TESTING AND 

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CALLING TO ORDER TO FIGURE OUT 

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WHAT AVENUES YOU MIGHT HAVE AND 

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WHAT RESPONSES YOU MIGHT HAVE TO 

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THE LAKE ITSELF NOW.

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SO WITH THAT, I HAVE A FEW 

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QUESTIONS.

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ONE OF THEM

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 WAS THAT -- KIND OF SIMILAR, 

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ALAMEDA COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL 

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DEPARTMENT HAS NO PLANS TO 

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DRUDGE IN THE FORESEEABLE 

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FUTURE, AS THEIR STAFF HAS 

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ADVISED THE CITY THAT FLOOD 

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PROTECTION IS NOT AFFECTED BY 

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THE CURRENT LAKE BOTTOM 

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ELEVATIONS.

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SO THEREFORE, NO SEDIMENT 

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REMOVAL IS WARRANTED AT THIS 

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TIME.

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WHAT I'M WONDERING, SINCE WE DO 

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SO MANY OTHER THINGS WITH THE 

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LAKE, IT'S NOT JUST FLOOD 

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CONTROL NOW, DOES THAT CHANGE 

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HOW THAT WOULD LOOK?

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DO WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE 

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COUNTY AND SAY CAN YOU 

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RECONSIDER?

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DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHT ON 

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THAT?

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>> WE DID CHECK IN WITH THE 

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FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT BECAUSE 

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CERTAINLY I THINK THE LONG TERM 

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SOLUTION FOR THIS WOULD BE 

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DREDGING, AND THEY HAD INDICATED 

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TO US THAT THERE WERE NO PLANS 

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TO DO THAT, AND SO THIS IS 

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REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT ARE SOME 

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POSITIVE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, 

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GIVEN THE CURRENT LAKE DEPTHS.

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AND SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR PLAN 

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B.

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BUT WE DID CHECK IN WITH THEM, 

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AND THEY ARE FINE WITH US 

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PROCEEDING WITH THESE 

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IMPROVEMENTS, BUT MADE IT PRETTY 

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CLEAR AT THIS POINT THEY DON'T 

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HAVE ANY PLANS TO DO ANY 

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DREDGING.

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I DON'T KNOW, KIM, IF YOU WANTED 

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TO ADD.

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>> NO, THANK YOU,

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 COUNCILMEMBER.

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YES, SO WE HAVE WORKED WITH 

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ALAMEDA COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL TO 

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COMMUNICATE THIS.

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WE LEASE THE PROPERTY FROM 

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THEM.

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FOR RECREATIONAL USE.

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SO ANY OF THE RECREATIONAL 

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USE-TYPE ITEMS PER THE AGREEMENT 

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IS UP TO THE CITY TO DO.

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AND THAT WE WOULD MAKE THE 

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DECISION.

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BECAUSE THEY DON'T USE IT FOR 

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THOSE PURPOSES.

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THEIR ONLY PURPOSE OF THE LAKE 

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IS FOR FLOOD CONTROL, AND AS 

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LONG AS -- AND THE WAY THEY 

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EXPLAINED THIS, AS LONG AS IT'S 

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NOT IMPACTING THEIR FLOOD 

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CONTROL ABILITIES, THEY WOULD 

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NOT BE MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY 

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RECLAMATION.

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NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THROUGH 

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OUR PARTNERSHIPS AND 

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CONVERSATIONS, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN 

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THE PROCESS OF AT SOME POINT WE 

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HAVE TO RENEW THAT AGREEMENT SO 

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THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN 

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BRING UP AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

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BUT THEIR FULL USE OF IT IS JUST 

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FOR FLOOD CONTROL PURPOSES.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: 

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OKAY, THAT RATHER MAKES SENSE 

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BUT HI TO ASK THAT QUESTION.

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AND I KNOW THAT -- YOU HAD 

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MENTIONED HERE YOU HAD TALKED 

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WITH THEM AND IT HADN'T DN 

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BREJED SINCE 2001 BUT IF THAT'S 

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THEIR PURVIEW, THAT'S THEIR 

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VIEW, THEN I GUESS THAT'S WHAT 

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WE HAVE TO STICK WITH, HUH?

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OKAY.

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SO NUMBER TWO, POWER, SO LAR, WE 

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TALKED A LITTLE BY POWER OR 

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SOLAR.

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SO THE SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE 

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SOLAR.

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DO WE KNOW WHY WE MIGHT NOT BE 

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ABLE TO DO POWER THERE?

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>> WE WILL NEED TO COORDINATE 

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WITH OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT 

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TO SEE HOW FEASIBLE IT WOULD BE 

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TO TAKE POWER OUT THERE.

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AND I COULD LET PAUL TALK A 

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LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE 

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SPECIFICS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING 

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IS THAT THE SHORE POWER UNITS 

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ARE SMALLER SO THEY WOULD BE 

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EASIER TO DEPLOY.

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THE SOLAR UNITS ARE LARGER SO 

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THAT WOULD NOT -- WE WOULD LIKE 

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TO GET POWER THERE BUT WE'VE NOT

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 DONE THE ANALYSIS WE NEED TO TO 

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SEE EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS 

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LIKE.

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SO THE APPROPRIATION WE'RE 

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REQUESTING GIVES US SOME 

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FLEXIBILITY TO KIND OF FIGURE 

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OUT OKAY WHAT WOULD BE IDEAL, 

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CAN WE DO THAT, IF NOT, OUR 

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BACKUP WOULD BE TO DO THE 

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SOLAR.

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PAUL SALUP IS PRINCIPAL AND 

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SENIOR ENGINEER AT APPLIED 

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MARINE SCIENCES WHO'S BEEN 

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ADVISING US IN THIS MATTER SO 

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I'LL TURN TO HIM.

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>> I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THE 

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CURRENT TECHNOLOGY THAT EXISTS 

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FOR THE AIR

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 RAY TORES, IT WOULD WORK EXCEPT 

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THE WATER DEPTHS ARE CURRENTLY 2 

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TO 4 FEET AND THEY REQUIRE A 

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LONGER OR DEEPER LAKE IN ORDER 

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TO MAKE THOSE WORK EFFECTIVELY.

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SO THE SHORE POWER CAN WORK AT 

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SHALLOWER DEPTHS.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: 

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OKAY.

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AND THEN EITHER ONE OF THOSE 

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WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE 

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NUMBERS, THE DOLLAR NUMBERS, 

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EITHER ONE OF THOSE WOULD FIT 

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UNDER THERE?

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>> CORRECT.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: 

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OKAY.

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NUMBER THREE, WITH THE 

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TEMPERATURE WE TALK ABOUT THE 

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FLOATING AND OXYGEN, FUTURE 

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SHORELINE PLANTING.

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HOW MUCH IN THE FUTURE WOULD THE 

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SHORELINE PLANTING BE?

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DO WE KNOW?

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>> WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THIS 

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APPROPRIATION AND I WOULD DEFER 

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TO KIM ACTUALLY ON THAT BECAUSE 

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THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN HER SHOP.

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>> YES, COUNCILMEMBER, SO WE ARE 

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PLANNING IN PART OF THE CIP 

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PROCESS OF PROPOSING A LAKE 

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RENOVATION MANAGEMENT FUND THAT 

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WOULD ALLOW US TO COMPLETE SOME 

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OF THAT WORK.

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YOU KNOW, HIRE A CONSULTANT TO 

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ADVISE US ON THE PROPER SHORE 

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PLANTING AND PUT A PLAN 

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TOGETHER.

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THAT'S A LONGER TERM SOLUTION.

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THE INTENT OF THIS PARTICULAR 

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ITEM WAS TO MAKE SURE WE HAD 

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SOMETHING WE COULD HOPEFULLY GET 

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IN PLACE BY THE SUMMER AND THE 

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HEAT, AND THEN THE PLANTING PLAN 

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AND SHORELINE MANAGEMENT WILL BE 

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PART OF OUR LONGER TERM PLAN AS 

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WE MOVE FORWARD.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: 

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THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR, BECAUSE 

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THAT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE AND 

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IT'S GOOD TO HEAR IT'S NOT 10 

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YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OR 

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SOMETHING.

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OKAY, GREAT.

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THEN MY LAST QUESTION WOULD

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 BE -- NO, I THINK THAT ACTUALLY 

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COVERS IT.

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THAT COVERS IT.

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SO COMING UP WITH THIS IDEA, IT 

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WAS YOUR TEAM THAT CAME UP WITH 

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THE IDEA OR WHO CAME UP WITH THE 

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IDEA FOR -- TO TAKE THIS NEXT 

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STEP?

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>> I WOULD SAY IT WAS A 

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PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO 

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DEPARTMENTS AND PART OF THAT IS 

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THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD FROM 

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THE RESPONSE, WHEN APPLIED 

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MARINE SCIENCES AND ACTUALLY 

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PAUL WAS OUT THERE FOURTH OF 

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JULY TAKING WATER SAMPLES TRYING 

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TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, 

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SO THESE WERE SOME 

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RECOMMENDATIONS.

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YOU KNOW, WE ARE ANTICIPATING 

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SOME HEAT EVENTS THIS SUMMER AND 

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WE WOULD REALLY -- WE'RE 

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ADVISING TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING 

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IN PLACE BY THEN.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: 

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WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY 

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QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR 

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HARD WORK.

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>> Mayor Salwan: IS THAT IT?

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ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: I 

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THINK THAT'S IT.

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I JUST WANTED TO HAVE SOME 

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CLARIFYING QUESTIONS SO THANK 

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YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> Mayor Salwan: ANY OTHER 

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QUESTIONS?

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I JUST HAD A FOLLOW-UP 

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QUESTION.

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YOU MENTIONED THE PILOT 

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PROGRAM.

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SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'LL 

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HAVE TO SCALE THIS MORE IN OTHER 

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PART OR IF IT WORK, THEN WE'LL 

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STICK WITH IT?

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WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

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>> I THINK WHAT STAFF WAS 

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ENVISIONING, IF IT WORKS WELL, 

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WE MAY LOOK TO SEE IF WE WANT TO 

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EXPAND IT, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO 

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IT IN A PORTION OF THE LAKE AND 

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SEE WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.

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IF WE THINK THIS IS VIABLE AND 

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IT MAKES SENSE TO EXPAND TO 

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OTHER PORTIONS OF THE LAKE, THEN 

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WE WOULD COME BACK WITH THAT.

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IF THERE WERE SOME THINGS, LET'S 

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SAY THE FLOATING ISLANDS DON'T 

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WORK LIKE WE THOUGHT AND WE 

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THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, 

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THEN WE WOULD COME BACK WITH 

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SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

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SO IT'S REALLY TO TEST, I DON'T 

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REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD 

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IF WE WANT TODAY DO IT WHEN IT 

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WAS LIKE 27 FLOATING ISLANDS OR 

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE 

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THOUGHT -- WE WANT TO MAKE SURE 

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THIS WORKS.

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I MEAN, IT'S A CHALLENGE, THESE 

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DEPTHS ARE REALLY SHALLOW, SO WE 

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CONSULTED WITH SOME COLLEAGUES 

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IN OAKLAND WITH LAKE MERIT TO 

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SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE 

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THEY'VE HAD SIMILAR FISH 

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INCIDENTS BUT THAT'S A MUCH 

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DEEPER LAKE, SO WE'RE PROCEEDING 

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CAUTIOUSLY BECAUSE WE NO THERE 

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ARE SOME CHALLENGES -- WE KNOW 

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THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES AND 

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BEFORE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY 

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WE WANT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING 

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TO WORK AND THAT WE HAVE SOME 

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DATA THAT INDICATES IT'S HELPING 

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TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU FOR 

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THE EXPLANATION.

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COUNCILMEMBER KENG.

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>> Councilmember Keng: I HAVE A 

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QUICK QUESTION.

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SO MY IMPRESSION WAS IT WOULD

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 IT WOULD COVER THE WHOLE LAKE 

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BUT NOW IT'S CLEAR IT'S ONLY 

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WORKING ON PART OF THE LAKE SO 

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DO YOU HAVE AN APPROXIMATE 

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PERCENTAGE OF THE LAKE THAT THE 

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PILOT PROGRAM WERE COVER?

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>> WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME 

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ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AND WORK 

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WITH APPLIED MARINE SCIENCES TO 

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FIND THE BEST LOCATIONS BUT MORE 

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IN THE VICINITY OF THE 

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BOATHOUSES IS WHAT WE'RE 

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TARGETING INITIALLY, THAT 

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PORTION OF THE LAKE.

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>> Councilmember Keng: SO MAYBE 

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10% OR 20%?

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>> THAT'S DOUBTFUL BUT THAT'S 

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ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO 

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BE LOOKING AT.

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WE WILL BE MONITORING THE 

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EFFECTIVENESS AND WE'LL SEE HOW 

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FAR OUT THE EFFECT ARE ABLE TO 

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BE DETECTED.

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SO WE'LL HAVE MONITORING IN JUST 

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SORT OF THE CENTER OF THE LAKE 

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AND THEN WHEREVER WE DO THE 

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PILOT PROJECT AND WE'LL SEE HOW 

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EFFECTIVE THIS WOULD BE -- WE'RE 

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LIMITED BASED UPON YOUR CEQA TO 

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AN AREA THAT'S ONLY AFFECTED 

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LESS THAN 5 ACRES AT THIS POINT, 

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SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT'S A 

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SMALL AREA THAT WE'LL HAVE AN 

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EFFECT AT, BUT IT COULD BE 

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SCALED IN THE FUTURE.

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BUT EVEN AT THIS SIZE, IT WILL 

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LIKELY PROVIDE SOME REFUGE, SO 

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WE KNOW BASED ON THE EDNA 

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SAMPLING WE DID THAT FISH 

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SURVIVED THIS DIEOFF EVENT EVEN 

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THOUGH YOU HAD A THOUSAND FISH 

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THAT DIED, THERE ARE SOME THAT 

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SURVIVED, SO THERE MUST BE SOME 

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EXISTING REFUGE IN THE LAKE, AND 

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SO THIS WOULD EXPAND THAT AND 

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MAYBE IT WOULD SORT OF -- THE 

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EFFECT NEXT YEAR MIGHT BE 

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SMALLER IF YOU HAD A SIMILAR 

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SIZE EVENT.

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>> Councilmember Keng: OKAY.

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AND DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY 

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WHAT'S THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE 

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-- I MEAN SQUARE MILE OF THE 

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LAKE?

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OR ACRE?

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ACREAGE.

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>> 83 ACRES IS MY UNDERSTANDING 

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OF THE ENTIRE LAKE.

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>> Councilmember Keng: OKAY, 

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THANK YOU.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: I DO 

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HAVE ONE MORE REAL QUICK.

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>> Mayor Salwan: HOPEFULLY WE 

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GET A MOTION AFTER?

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: 

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OKAY, ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION.

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ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE BART HAD 

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GONE UNDER AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE 

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ROCK OVER THERE, THE LARGE ROCK, 

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DO YOU THINK THAT CONTRIBUTES TO 

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THE HEATING UP OF THE LAKE?

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>> WITH AN EXTREME EVENT LIKE WE 

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HAD LAST SUMMER, I DON'T THINK 

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SO.

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THAT'S JUST MY GUT FEELING FOR 

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THAT.

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IT'S A SHALLOW LAKE.

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IT WAS SORT OF AN UNRELENTING 

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HEAT EVEN IN THE NIGHTS, THERE 

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WAS NO COOLING, SO I THINK 

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THAT'S SORT OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING 

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TO SEE IN THAT TYPE OF EVENT.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: 

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OKAY, THANK YOU.

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I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO 

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APPROVE 2C.

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>> Mayor Salwan: MOVE BY 

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN, 

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SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KENG.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: WITH 

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THE GREEN SHEET.

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>> Mayor Salwan: WITH THE GREEN 

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SHEET.

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OKAY.

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PLEASE VOTE.

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SECOND WAS KENG.

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MOTION PASSES 7-0, UNANIMOUS.

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THANK YOU.

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NEXT WE HAVE

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 ITEM 2F THAT WAS REMOVED FROM 

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CONSENT.

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DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER ON THIS 

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ITEM?

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>> Ms. Gauthier: THAT'S 

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CORRECT.

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>> Mayor Salwan: MR. KELLY.

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>> Ms. Gauthier: YES, CORRECT.

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>> HERE AGAIN WE HAVE -- 

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RESTROOMS, NEW RESTROOMS.

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THAT'S GREAT IF YOU LOOK AT IT 

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AS JUST TWO NEW RESTROOMS.

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BUT THEN I HAVE A LOT OF 

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QUESTIONS.

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MY QUESTIONS ARE THINGS ABOUT 

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RESTROOM STRATEGY.

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WHAT IS YOUR RESTROOM STRATEGY?

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YOU JUST KIND OF WILLY-NILLY 

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PICK SOME SPOTS AND THROW IN 

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RESTROOMS WHEREVER IT FEELS 

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RIGHT?

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YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LAW ON THE 

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BOOKS THAT PROHIBITS AIDING AND 

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ABETTING HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS, 

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AND WHEN YOU PUT RESTROOMS IN 

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THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET OR NEXT 

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TO A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT IN 

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IRVINGTON OR WHEREVER, IRVINGTON 

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IS A CENTER FOR THESE PROBLEMS, 

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I HEARD, BASED ON THE RESULTS OF 

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THE LAST ELECTION, THEN AREN'T 

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YOU AIDING AND ABETTING?

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AND HOW DO YOU PICK WHERE TO PUT 

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THESE RESTROOMS?

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AND THEN IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS 

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TO PUT RESTROOMS IN A PARK, FOR 

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EXAMPLE, THE PARK -- THE EAST 

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BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT AT 

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MISSION PEAK, WHY ARE YOU SO 

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OPPOSED TO HAVING RESTROOMS IN

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 PARKS OR MAYBE YOU'RE NOT?

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THE PARK HAD MONEY IN THEIR 

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BUDGET TO DO THIS, BUT IT WAS 

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THIS CITY COUNCIL AND THE STAFF

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 THAT HAD BIG CONCERNS AND THEY 

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PUT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE INTO THE 

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CONTRACT TO TRY TO BLOCK IT OR 

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TRY TO PUT SOME LEGAL -- EXTRA

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 HURDLES, EXTRA LAYERS OF 

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APPROVAL FOR RESTROOMS AND FOR, 

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YOU KNOW, PARKING LOTS OR 

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WHATEVER.

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SO I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, YOU 

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KNOW, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN 

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THROW RESTROOMS IN WHEREVER YOU 

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LIKE AND THEN TRY TO BLOCK OTHER 

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PEOPLE, OTHER PARK DISTRICTS 

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WHEN THEY DO THE SAME THING.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: ANY QUESTIONS 

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FROM COUNCIL?

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SEEING NONE, CAN I GET A 

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MOTION?

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MOVED BY COUNCILMEMBER SHAO.

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SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER LIU.

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PLEASE VOTE.

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7-0, UNANIMOUS.

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WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO OTHER 

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BUSINESS.

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ITEM 6A.

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MID YEAR BUDGET.

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MR. PERSSELIN.

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>> Mr. Persselin: THANK YOU, 

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MAYOR SALWAN.

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DAVE PERSSELIN, FINANCE 

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DIRECTOR.

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TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING A 

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BRIEF REVIEW OF RECENT ECONOMIC 

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AND REVENUE TRENDS, DISCUSS 

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REVISED GENERAL FUND REVENUE AND 

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EXPENDITURE PROJECTIONS FOR THE 

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CURRENT YEAR, PROVIDE A 

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PRELIMINARY GENERAL FUND 

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FORECAST FOR THE NEXT THREE 

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YEARS, AND PRESENT 

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RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MID YEAR 

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BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.

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AND WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT 

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SLIDE.

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THANK YOU.

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WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE FISCAL 

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YEAR 2024-25 BUDGET LAST SPRING, 

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WE ANTICIPATED THE GROWTH IN THE 

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NATIONAL ECONOMY WOULD 

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CONTINUE.

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BUT THAT HIGH INTEREST RATES 

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WOULD DEPRESS THE LOCAL HOUSING 

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MARKET AND REDUCE PROPERTY TAX 

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GROWTH.

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THE NATIONAL ECONOMY HAS INDEED 

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CONTINUED TO GROW, WITH GROSS 

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DOMESTIC PRODUCT OR GDP 

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INCREASING BY 2.8% DURING 

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CALENDAR YEAR 2024.

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AS EXPECTED, THE FEDERAL RESERVE 

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OPEN MARKET COMMITTEE BEGAN 

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LOWERING INTEREST RATES IN LATE 

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2024.

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HOWEVER, THE COMBINATION OF 

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INFLATIONARY MAINING ABOVE THE 

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FED'S 2% TARGET, A STRONG LABOR 

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MARKET, AND THE IMPOSITION OF 

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TARIFFS IN EARLY 2025 HAS 

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PROMPTED THE FED TO PAUSE ON ANY 

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FURTHER DECREASES.

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UNCERTAINTY OVER THE PATH OF 

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INTEREST RATES AND ECONOMIC 

[Captioner] 19:37:59
IMPACTS OF THE NEW 

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ADMINISTRATION'S FISCAL POLICIES 

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HAS LED TO RECENT DROPS IN 

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CONSUMER CONFIDENCE AND PERSONAL 

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CONSUMPTION EXPENDITURES.

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WHILE THE CITY'S PRELIMINARY 

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REVENUE FORECAST ASSUMES THE 

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ECONOMY WILL GROW AT A MODERATE 

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PACE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS,

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 THAT OUTLOOK COULD CHANGE AS 

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CONDITIONS EVOLVE OVER THE NEXT 

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TWO MONTHS.

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AS EXPECTED, REAL ESTATE 

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TRANSACTIONS AND DEVELOPMENT 

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ACTIVITY REMAINED SUBDUED LAST 

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YEAR, AND UNDERPERFORMANCE IN 

[Captioner] 19:38:31
THE SUPPLEMENTAL PROPERTY TAX 

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CATEGORIES CONTRIBUTING TO A 

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REDUCED PROPERTY TAX ESTIMATE 

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FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024-25.

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ADDITIONALLY THE SLOWDOWN IN 

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DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IMPACTS THE 

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CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS TAX 

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CATEGORY, LEADING TO A REDUCTION 

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IN THE CURRENT YEAR ESTIMATE FOR 

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BUSINESS TAX.

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BECAUSE PROPERTY TAX REVENUES 

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FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR ARE LARGELY 

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DETERMINED BY CHANGES IN 

[Captioner] 19:38:58
OWNERSHIP DURING CALENDAR YEAR 

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2024, THE PRELIMINARY FORECAST 

[Captioner] 19:39:02
ANTICIPATES SLOWER THAN 

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HISTORICAL GROWTH IN THAT 

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REVENUE CATEGORY.

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THE CONTINUATION OF HIGH 

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INTEREST RATES FROM IN 2025 WILL 

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CONTINUE TO SUPPRESS PROPERTY 

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SALES AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY.

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EXTENDING THE PROPERTY TAX 

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REVENUE SLOWDOWN THROUGH FISCAL 

[Captioner] 19:39:18
YEAR 2026-27.

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ALTHOUGH HIGH INTEREST RATES 

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DEPRESS PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, 

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THEY HAVE THE OPPOSITE EFFECT ON 

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THE CITY'S INVESTMENT HE 

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WERINGS.

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WE'RE SEEING HIGHER THAN 

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ANTICIPATED REVENUE FROM THAT 

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SOURCE THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND 

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HAVE INCREASED NEXT YEAR'S 

[Captioner] 19:39:36
PROJECTION IN THE PRELIMINARY 

[Captioner] 19:39:36
FORECAST.

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IN NOVEMBER, THE STATE COMPLETED 

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THE SECOND HALF OF ITS RECOVERY 

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OF APPROXIMATELY $19.5 MILLION 

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OF SALES TAX IT OVERPAID THE 

[Captioner] 19:39:50
CITY DURING FISCAL YEAR 

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2022-23.

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BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF CITY POINT 

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OF SALE REVENUE WAS REDUCED IN 

[Captioner] 19:39:58
THE FIRST QUARTER OF FISCAL YEAR 

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2024-25, THE CITY'S SHARE OF 

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COUNTY-WIDE POOL REVENUE WAS 

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ALSO REDUCED.

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STAFF ESTIMATES THAT ADDITIONAL 

[Captioner] 19:40:07
REVENUE LOSS TOTALED $2 

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MILLION.

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THE CITY RECEIVEDDITY SECOND 

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QUARTER REMITTANCE OF SALES TAX 

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IN LATE FEBRUARY, AND OUR 

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PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE FOR THE 

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CURRENT FISCAL YEAR IS SLIGHTLY 

[Captioner] 19:40:19
LESS THAN THE ADOPTED BUDGET 

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AMOUNT.

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ADJUSTING FOR THE ONE-TIME 

[Captioner] 19:40:24
REDUCTIONS, WE'VE BEEN 

[Captioner] 19:40:25
EXPERIENCING MODERATE GROWTH IN 

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THIS CATEGORY.

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BUT A SUSTAINED DROP IN CONSUMER 

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CONFIDENCE COULD REDUCE OUR 

[Captioner] 19:40:30
FORECAST ESTIMATE.

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FINALLY THE POST PANDEMIC 

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RECOVERY AND HOTEL TAX REVENUE 

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APPEARS TO HAVE STALLED.

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WITH THE CURRENT YEAR ESTIMATE 

[Captioner] 19:40:42
REDUCED TO THE AMOUNTS RECEIVED 

[Captioner] 19:40:43
IN EACH OF THE LAST TWO YEARS.

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THIS REPORT INCLUDES RECOMMENDED 

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ADJUSTMENTS TO BRING THE 

[Captioner] 19:40:50
BUDGETED REVENUE ESTIMATES FOR 

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PROPERTY TAX, SALES TAX, 

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BUSINESS TAX, HOTEL TAX, AND 

[Captioner] 19:40:56
INVESTMENT EARNINGS IN LINE WITH 

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THE CURRENT PROJECTIONS.

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AS A REMINDER, THE PROPERTY TAX 

[Captioner] 19:41:04
REVENUE WE'RE RECEIVING IN 

[Captioner] 19:41:08
FISCAL YEAR 24-25 IS LARGELY 

[Captioner] 19:41:10
DETERMINED BY CHANGES IN 

[Captioner] 19:41:13
ASSESSED VALUE DURING CALENDAR 

[Captioner] 19:41:13
YEAR 2023.

[Captioner] 19:41:18
THE RUNUP IN INTEREST RATES 

[Captioner] 19:41:19
DURING 2022 AND 2023 SLOWED OUR 

[Captioner] 19:41:21
LOCAL REAL ESTATE MARKET TO A 

[Captioner] 19:41:24
LEVEL OF ACTIVITY LOWER THAN 

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WHAT WE EXPERIENCED DURING THE 

[Captioner] 19:41:26
GREAT RECESSION.

[Captioner] 19:41:29
WE ANTICIPATED THAT SLOWDOWN 

[Captioner] 19:41:32
WHEN WE PREPARED THE FISCAL YEAR 

[Captioner] 19:41:35
24-25 REVENUE ESTIMATES, BUT OUR 

[Captioner] 19:41:37
PROJECTED ACTUAL IS STILL ABOUT 

[Captioner] 19:41:37
$1.4 MILLION LOWER.

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ALTHOUGH HIGH INTEREST RATES 

[Captioner] 19:41:44
CONTINUE TO DISCOURAGE HOME 

[Captioner] 19:41:46
SALES AND NEW DEVELOPMENT, IN 

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2024, WE DID SEE INCREASES IN 

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THE NUMBER OF PROPERTY SALES AND 

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THEIR VALUE FROM THE PRIOR 

[Captioner] 19:41:52
YEAR.

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WE EXPECT TO MEET WITH STAFF 

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FROM THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S 

[Captioner] 19:41:57
OFFICE AT THE END OF MARCH OR 

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EARLY APRIL TO HEAR THEIR 

[Captioner] 19:42:01
INITIAL ESTIMATES FOR NEXT 

[Captioner] 19:42:01
YEAR'S ASSESSED VALUES.

[Captioner] 19:42:05
AS I MENTIONED, OUR SALES TAX 

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ESTIMATE FOR THE CURRENT YEAR 

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REFLECTS THE STATE'S RECOVERY OF 

[Captioner] 19:42:11
$9.7 MILLION, AND THE ASSOCIATED 

[Captioner] 19:42:13
REDUCTION OF COUNTY-WIDE POOL 

[Captioner] 19:42:14
REVENUE OF ABOUT $2 MILLION.

[Captioner] 19:42:19
THE FIRST PAYMENTS FOR CALENDAR 

[Captioner] 19:42:21
YEAR 2024 BUSINESS TAXES ARE 

[Captioner] 19:42:22
ONLY NOW JUST BEGINNING TO COME 

[Captioner] 19:42:24
IN, SO THE REDUCTION IN THE 

[Captioner] 19:42:26
ESTIMATE PRIMARILY REFLECTS THE 

[Captioner] 19:42:29
DROPOFF THAT WE'RE SEEING IN 

[Captioner] 19:42:29
CONSTRUCTION-RELATED BUSINESS 

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TAX REVENUE.

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THE ADOPTED BUDGET ASSUMED THAT 

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HOTEL TAX WOULD RETURN TO ITS 

[Captioner] 19:42:37
PREPANDEMIC GROWTH RATE.

[Captioner] 19:42:40
BUT IT NOW APPEARS THAT THIS 

[Captioner] 19:42:41
REVENUE CATEGORY HAS PLATEAUED.

[Captioner] 19:42:45
WITH OCCUPANCY AND ROOM RATES 

[Captioner] 19:42:47
LITTLE CHANGED FROM THE PRIVATE 

[Captioner] 19:42:47
YEARS.

[Captioner] 19:42:50
IF IT CONTINUES ON ITS CURRENT 

[Captioner] 19:42:52
PACE, HOTEL TAX WILL FALL BELOW 

[Captioner] 19:42:54
THE BUDGET ESTIMATE BY ABOUT 

[Captioner] 19:42:54
$400,000.

[Captioner] 19:42:59
THE OVERPERFORMANCE IN THE OTHER 

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CATEGORY ON THE SLIDE IS DUE TO 

[Captioner] 19:43:02
HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED 

[Captioner] 19:43:03
INVESTMENT EARNINGS ON THE 

[Captioner] 19:43:06
CITY'S CASH PORTFOLIO AS A 

[Captioner] 19:43:07
RESULT OF SUSTAINED HIGH 

[Captioner] 19:43:07
INTEREST RATES.

[Captioner] 19:43:12
IN TOTAL, GENERAL FUND REVENUES 

[Captioner] 19:43:15
ARE PROJECTED TO FINISH THE YEAR 

[Captioner] 19:43:16
ABOUT $600,000 BELOW THE ADOPTED 

[Captioner] 19:43:16
BUDGET ESTIMATE.

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THE FIRST COLUMN ON THIS SLIDE 

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SHOWS THE ACTUAL REVENUES AND 

[Captioner] 19:43:28
EXPENDITURES FOR LAST FISCAL 

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YEAR.

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WE BEGAN THE FISCAL YEAR WITH A 

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$2,000.9 MILLION UNRESERVED FUND 

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BALANCE.

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WHICH RESULTED FROM THE 

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MISALLOCATION OF SALES TAX BY 

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THE STATE.

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AS PART OF THE YEAR-END REPORT, 

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THE CITY COUNCIL SET ASIDE THAT 

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UNRESERVED FUND BALANCE TO HELP 

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ABSORB THE LOSS OF REVENUE WE 

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EXPECTED TO EXPERIENCE IN FISCAL 

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YEARS 2023-24 AND 24-25.

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THE ADDITION TO RESERVES 

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INCLUDES A NET INCREASE IN THE 

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GENERAL FUND BUDGET UNCERTAINTY 

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RESERVE TO $24.2 MILLION.

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THE $260.6 MILLION OF REVENUE 

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SHOWN IN THE FAR RIGHT ESTIMATE 

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COLUMN CORRESPONDS TO THE TOTAL 

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SHOWN ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

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A $600,000 DECREASE FROM THE 

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BUDGET AMOUNT.

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YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE INCLUDE 

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IN THE EXPENDITURE BUDGET A 

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SAVINGS ASSUMPTION TO REFLECT 

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THE CITY'S HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE 

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OF UNDERSPENDING TOTAL KATEED 

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RESOURCES, PRIMARILY DUE TO 

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SALARY SAVINGS FROM VACANT 

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POSITIONS.

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THIS YEAR'S SAVINGS ASSUMPTION 

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WAS $21.2 MILLION.

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INCREASES DUE TO RECENT SALARY 

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ADJUSTMENTS ARE EXPECTED TO BE 

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OFFSET BY HIGHER THAN 

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ANTICIPATED EXPENDITURE 

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SAVINGS.

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TO ADDRESS THE ONE-TIME REVENUE 

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SHORT FALL DUE TO THE STATE'S 

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RECOVERY OF SALES TAX, AND 

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MAINTAIN SERVICES TO THE 

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COMMUNITY, WE ANTICIPATE DRAWING 

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DOWN $18.4 MILLION OF THE $24.2 

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MILLION BUDGET UNCERTAINTY 

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RESERVE.

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THE $15.3 MILLION REDUCTION TO 

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RESERVES SHOWN IN THE ESTIMATE 

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COLUMN REFLECTS THE COMBINATION 

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OF THAT DRAWDOWN WITH THE $3.1 

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MILLION INCREASE TO THE GENERAL 

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FUND CONTINGENCY RESERVE.

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WE ESTIMATE FINISHING THE 

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CURRENT FISCAL YEAR WITH

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 5.8 MILLION DOLLARS IN THE 

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BUDGET UNCERTAINTY RESERVE.

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AS A REMINDER, THE CITY COUNCIL 

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HAS ESTABLISHED TWO GENERAL FUND 

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RESERVES.

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THE CONTINGENCY RESERVE FUNDED 

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BY COUNCIL POLICY 16.7% OF 

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BUDGETED EXPENDITURES AND 

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TRANSFERS OUT IS INTENDED TO 

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MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF NATURAL 

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DISASTERS AND OTHER UNFORESEEN 

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EVENTS.

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THE BUDGET YOUR HONOR CERTAINTY 

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 UNCERTAINTY

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 RESERVE -- WITH THE GOAL OF 

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PROVIDING SUFFICIENT RESOURCES 

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TO MAINTAIN SERVICE LEVELS WHILE 

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GIVING THE CITY AN OPPORTUNITY 

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TO RESPOND TO ITS BUDGETARY 

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CHALLENGES.

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TO ADDRESS THE STATE'S 

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ANTICIPATED RECOVERY OF SALES 

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TAX REVENUE, THE CITY COUNCIL 

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INCREASED THE BUDGET UNCERTAINTY 

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RESERVE LAST FISCAL YEAR.

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AS I MENTIONED ON THE LAST 

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SLIDE, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT 

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$18.4 MILLION OF THE BUDGET 

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UNCERTAINTY RESERVE MAY BE 

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NEEDED TO OFFSET THE CURRENT 

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YEAR REVENUE SHORT FALL AND 

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MAINTAIN SERVICE LEVELS.

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THE PRELIMINARY GENERAL FUND 

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FORECAST SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE 

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INCLUDES THE CURRENT YEAR 

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ESTIMATE I'VE JUST DISCUSSED 

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ALONG WITH PROJECTIONS FOR THE 

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NEXT THREE FISCAL YEARS.

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REVENUE PROJECTIONS FOR THE NEXT 

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THREE FISCAL YEARS ARE BASED ON 

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THE MOST CURRENT INFORMATION 

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AVAILABLE AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT 

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HISTORICAL TRENDS, CURRENT YEAR 

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PERFORMANCE THROUGH MID YEAR, 

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PROJECTED DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, 

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AND SCHEDULED CHANGES IN VARIOUS 

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FEES AND RATES.

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THESE PRELIMINARY PROJECTIONS 

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ARE BASED ON THE EXPECTATION 

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THAT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY WILL 

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REMAIN HEALTHY, BUT THAT GROWTH 

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IN PROPERTY TAX WILL REMAIN SLOW 

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AS THE REAL ESTATE MARKET 

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RESPONDS TO A LESS FAVORABLE 

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INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT.

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THE EXPENDITURE PROJECTIONS ARE 

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NET OF ESTIMATED CITY-WIDE 

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SAVINGS IN EACH YEAR, AND 

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INCLUDE ADJUSTMENTS TO REFLECT 

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CALPERS PENSION CONTRIBUTION 

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INCREASES, RETIREE HEALTH 

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CONTRIBUTIONS, SCHEDULED DEBT 

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SERVICE PAYMENTS, AND 

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CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.

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IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY 

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COUNCIL'S PENSION LIABILITY 

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FUNDING POLICY, AN ADDITIONAL 

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PENSION CONTRIBUTION HAS BEEN 

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INCLUDED IN EACH YEAR AS WELL.

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BECAUSE THE CITY'S LABOR 

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AGREEMENTS EXPIRE ON JUNE 30,

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 2025, NO COMPENSATION INCREASES 

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HAVE BEEN ASSUMED IN ANY OF THE 

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FUTURE-YEAR PROJECTIONS.

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AS THIS FORECAST IS

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 PRELIMINARY, THE EXPENDITURES 

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SHOWN REPRESENT A BASE BUDGET 

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THAT DELIVERS THE EXISTING LEVEL 

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OF SERVICES WITH NO ASSUMED 

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STAFFING OR COMPENSATION 

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INCREASES.

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YOU CAN SEE FROM THE BOTTOM LINE 

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OF THE FORECAST THAT WE HAVE A 

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BUDGET BALANCING CHALLENGE NEXT 

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YEAR AS ANY INCREASE IN ONE PART 

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OF THE BUDGET WILL LIKELY NEED 

[Captioner] 19:48:26
TO BE OFFSET WITH REDUCTIONS 

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ELSEWHERE.

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OUR REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE 

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PROJECTIONS WILL CHANGE WITH THE 

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BENEFIT OF ADDITIONAL 

[Captioner] 19:48:35
INFORMATION, AS THE FISCAL YEAR 

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2025-26 PROPOSED OPERATING 

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BUDGET IS DEVELOPED OVER THE 

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NEXT TWO MONTHS.

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AS I MENTIONED, THE CURRENT 

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REVENUE PROJECTIONS FOR PROPERTY 

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TAX, SALES TAX, BUSINESS TAX AND 

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HOTEL TAX ARE FALLING BELOW 

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THEIR BUDGETED ESTIMATES.

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WHILE THE PROJECTION FOR 

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INVESTMENT EARNINGS IS EXCEEDING 

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ITS ESTIMATE FOR A NET REDUCTION 

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OF APPROXIMATELY $600,000.

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STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY 

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COUNCIL AMEND THE BUDGET 

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ESTIMATES FOR THESE REVENUES TO 

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MATCH THEIR CURRENT 

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PROJECTIONS.

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TO RECAP, THE NATIONAL ECONOMY 

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HAS BEEN EXPANDING, BUT HIGH 

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INTEREST RATE ARE REDUCING 

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GROWTH IN PROPERTY TAX, OUR 

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LARGEST SOURCE OF GENERAL FUND 

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REVENUE.

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ADDITIONALLY, THE POTENTIAL FOR 

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CONTINUED HIGH INTEREST RATES 

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AND TARIFF-DRIVEN INFLATION 

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COULD DISCOURAGE PERSONAL 

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CONSUMPTION AND BUSINESS 

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INVESTMENT DURING THE LAST HALF 

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OF THIS FISCAL YEAR AND INTO 

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FISCAL YEAR 2025-26.

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ACCORDINGLY, WE'RE RECOMMENDING 

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MID YEAR BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS TO 

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ALIGN REVENUES WITH OUR CURRENT 

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ESTIMATES.

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AS EXPECTED, THE STATE RECOVERED 

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THE SECOND HALF OF ITS SALES TAX 

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OVERPAYMENT DURING THE FIRST 

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QUARTER, AND TO MAINTAIN SERVICE 

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LEVELS, WE'LL BE DRAWING DOWN 

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THE BUDGET UNCERTAINTY RESERVE 

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TO AN ESTIMATED ENDING BALANCE 

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OF $5.8 MILLION.

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RESPONDING TO OUR LESS FAVORABLE 

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ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, THE 

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PRELIMINARY FORECAST REFLECTS 

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LOWER REVENUE GROWTH, WHICH 

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PRESENTS US WITH A BUDGET 

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CHALLENGE TO ADDRESS AS WE 

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PREPARE THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-26 

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PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET.

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THAT MEANS THAT ADDITIONAL 

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SPENDING IN ONE PART OF THE 

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BUDGET WILL LIKELY REQUIRE 

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OFFSETTING REDUCTIONS 

[Captioner] 19:50:23
ELSEWHERE.

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AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR 

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REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE 

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PROJECTION ALSO CHANGE WITH THE 

[Captioner] 19:50:31
BENEFIT OF ADDITIONAL 

[Captioner] 19:50:33
INFORMATION AS THE FISCAL YEAR 

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2025-26 PROPOSED OPERATING 

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BUDGET IS DEVELOPED.

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WE ANTICIPATE PRESENTING THE 

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FISCAL 25-26 PROPOSED OPERATING 

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BUDGET TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON 

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MAY 13TH.

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THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE 

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HELD JUNE 3RD WITH THE SECOND 

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PUBLIC HEARING AND BUDGET 

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ADOPTION SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 

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10TH.

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THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.

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I'LL TURN THE MEETING BACK OVER 

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TO THE MAYOR FOR QUESTIONS AND 

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COMMENTS.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU FOR 

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THE PRESENTATION.

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ANY QUESTIONS FROM 

[Captioner] 19:51:12
COUNCILMEMBERS?

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SEEING NONE, CAN WE OPEN IT UP 

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TO PUBLIC SPEAKERS?

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>> Ms. Gauthier: WE HAVE ONE 

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SPEAKER, KELLY ABREU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: OKAY.

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>> DO I GET ONE MINUTE AGAIN?

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>> Mayor Salwan: I'VE BEEN 

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GIVING YOU TWO MINUTES.

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>> NOT ON THE BUDGET.

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I REMEMBER A YEAR OR TWO AGO, IT 

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WAS ONE MINUTE.

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THIS COUNCIL DESERVES TO HANG 

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ITS HEAD IN SHAME FOR ITS

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 LAX ADMINISTRATION OVERSIGHT OF 

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THE BUDGET.

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THIS -- YOU KNOW, YOUR SALES TAX 

[Captioner] 19:51:54
DISASTER WAS WELL-KNOWN TO YOU A 

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YEAR AHEAD OF TIME, AND YOU JUST 

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SAT THERE AND JUST LET IT 

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HAPPEN.

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AND HERE WE ARE TRYING TO CLEAN 

[Captioner] 19:52:00
IT UP.

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THIS FORECAST THAT WE'D ALL JUST 

[Captioner] 19:52:08
LOOKED, YOU KNOW, IT TALKS ABOUT 

[Captioner] 19:52:09
MAINTAINING SERVICES.

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THAT'S IN NOMINAL TERMS, YOU 

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KNOW, YOUR EXPENDITURES ARE 

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EXPECTED TO GO UP LESS THAN 1% A 

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YEAR.

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LESS THAN 1%.

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THAT'S LESS THAN THE RATE OF 

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INFLATION, RIGHT?

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SO IN REAL TERMS, IF

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 YOUR SPENDING DOESN'T MEET WITH 

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INFLATION, THEN IN REAL TERMS, 

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YOUR SERVICE LEVELS HAVE TO 

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DECREASE.

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THAT'S A FACT.

[Captioner] 19:52:33
AND YOU'RE JUST DREAMING IF YOU 

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THINK THAT YOU CAN SPEND LESS -- 

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YOUR EXPENDITURE RATES CAN GO UP 

[Captioner] 19:52:40
LESS THAN THE RATE OF INFLATION 

[Captioner] 19:52:41
AND YOU STILL ARE DELIVERING 

[Captioner] 19:52:41
SERVICES.

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YOU'RE NOT DELIVERING THE SAME 

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SERVICES.

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YOU'RE LOSING GROUND.

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AND THEN FINALLY, YOU KNOW, ON 

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THIS OPERATING BUDGET, WE DIDN'T 

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HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE 

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DEPARTMENTS ARE SPENDING.

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DID YOU KNOW THAT THE POLICE

[Captioner] 19:52:57
 DEPARTMENT SPENT -- YOU 

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BUDGETED THEM, YOU GAVE THEM A 

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BUDGET FOR $115 MILLION LAST 

[Captioner] 19:53:01
YEAR AND THEY ONLY SPENT ABOUT A 

[Captioner] 19:53:01
HUNDRED.

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SO THAT'S 15% -- THAT'S A LOT OF 

[Captioner] 19:53:08
MONEY, $15 MILLION, 15% OF EXTRA 

[Captioner] 19:53:09
MONEY THAT'S NOT GETTING SPENT 

[Captioner] 19:53:10
AND THAT HAPPENED THREE YEARS IN 

[Captioner] 19:53:10
A ROW.

[Captioner] 19:53:13
THREE YEARS IN A ROW, AND WE 

[Captioner] 19:53:15
DON'T SEE THAT IN THESE BUDGET 

[Captioner] 19:53:16
NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU ONLY FOCUS 

[Captioner] 19:53:18
ON REVENUES, YOU DON'T TALK 

[Captioner] 19:53:19
ABOUT ALL THE STRANGE THINGS 

[Captioner] 19:53:21
THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE 

[Captioner] 19:53:21
EXPENDITURE SIDE.

[Captioner] 19:53:26
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH -- TO 

[Captioner] 19:53:28
BRING YOUR SPENDING IN LINE WITH 

[Captioner] 19:53:30
YOUR BUDGET ALLOCATIONS?

[Captioner] 19:53:32
IN SOME DEPARTMENTS, YOU NEED TO 

[Captioner] 19:53:37
SPEND A LOT MORE TO GET UP

[Captioner] 19:53:38
 TO THE BUDGETED AMOUNT.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU, MR. 

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ABREU.

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COUNCILMEMBER SHAO.

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>> Councilmember Shao: THANK 

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YOU, MR. MAYOR.

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I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A 

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COMMENT.

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FOR THE SALES TAX REVENUE, WE

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 KNOW THAT IT IS OUT OF OUR 

[Captioner] 19:53:54
CONTROL BASED ON HOW THE 

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COMPANIES FILE THEIR TAX 

[Captioner] 19:54:00
RETURNS, THE STATE EVEN WOULD 

[Captioner] 19:54:02
HAVE SOME ERROR ALLOCATING OR 

[Captioner] 19:54:03
REALLOCATING SALES TAX.

[Captioner] 19:54:08
IN HINDSIGHT,

[Captioner] 19:54:09
 LAST CITY COUNCIL MADE THE 

[Captioner] 19:54:11
RIGHT DECISION OF PUTTING EXTRA 

[Captioner] 19:54:14
SALES TAX REVENUE INTO THE 

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BUDGET UNCERTAINTY RESERVE.

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I BELIEVE THAT ONCE AGAIN, IN

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 HINDSIGHT, IT WAS A SMART 

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MOVE.

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BECAUSE OF THAT, WE DO HAVE SOME

[Captioner] 19:54:31
 RESERVES TO SURVIVE THE 

[Captioner] 19:54:32
REALLOCATION OF THE STATE SALES 

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TAX.

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AND I RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE 

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TO DO THAT

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, FULLY USE THIS BUDGET 

[Captioner] 19:54:47
UNCERTAINTY RESERVE TO REALLY 

[Captioner] 19:54:50
FIGHT AGAINST THE UPS AND DOWNS 

[Captioner] 19:54:55
OF THE STATE SALES

[Captioner] 19:54:57
 TAX ALLOCATION AND I BELIEVE IT 

[Captioner] 19:55:01
HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT THIS IS OUR 

[Captioner] 19:55:03
DEFENSE MECHANISM, YOU KNOW, FOR 

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THAT, AND IT WORKED.

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AND SO ONCE AGAIN, I JUST

[Captioner] 19:55:14
 WANT TO COMMENT THE

[Captioner] 19:55:18
 COMMEND THE LAST CITY COUNCIL 

[Captioner] 19:55:19
FOR DOING THAT, AND THAT'S 

[Captioner] 19:55:20
SOMETHING THAT IS FIRST OF ALL 

[Captioner] 19:55:24
OUT OF OUR CONTROL, BUT EVEN SO, 

[Captioner] 19:55:29
WE USED THIS DEFENSE MECHANISM 

[Captioner] 19:55:33
TO AVOID ANY UPS AND DOWNS IN 

[Captioner] 19:55:36
OUR FINANCIAL HEALTH AND 

[Captioner] 19:55:37
SUSTAINABILITY.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: VICE MAYOR 

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CAMPBELL.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: THANK 

[Captioner] 19:55:42
YOU, MAYOR.

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I ACTUALLY DID HAVE A QUESTION.

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IT CAME FROM ONE OF OUR 

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CITIZENS, AND I WANTED TO ASK 

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YOU IF THIS WAS EVEN POSSIBLE.

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WE MAKE A TRANSFER TO THE CIP 

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FROM THE GENERAL FUND WHEN WE DO 

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THE BUDGET?

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THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN?

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>> Mr. Persselin: THE OPERATING 

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BUDGET DOES INCLUDE TRANSFERS 

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FOR MAINTENANCE AND IN FISCAL 

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YEAR 2023 -- 22-23, WE 

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TRANSFERRED AMOUNTS TO FUND CIP 

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PROJECTS.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: OKAY.

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DID THAT INCLUDE PAVEMENT 

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PROJECTS?

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STREET PAVEMENT.

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>> Mr. Persselin: YES, PAVEMENT 

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IS PART OF THE ONGOING 

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MAINTENANCE ANNUAL TRANSFER THAT 

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WE MAKE.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: DO WE 

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HAVE A GENERAL FUND THAT IS JUST 

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FOR STREET MAINTENANCE AND 

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PAVEMENT, OR DOES IT COME OUT OF 

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THE CIP?

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>> Mr. Persselin: EACH YEAR WE 

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TRANSFER AMOUNTS TO THE CAPITAL 

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IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TO PAY FOR 

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THINGS LIKE PAVEMENT 

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MAINTENANCE, SIDEWALK 

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MAINTENANCE, PARK MAINTENANCE 

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AND SO FORTH.

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SO THAT'S GENERAL FUND MONEY 

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THAT GOES TO PAY FOR MAINTENANCE 

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ACTIVITIES IN THE CIP.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: OKAY.

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CAN WE USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF 

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SOURCE AS OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL 

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FUND TO DO THAT?

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LIKE THEY SUGGESTED GAS TAX, FOR 

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EXAMPLE.

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>> Mr. Persselin: GAS TAX IS 

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ALSO PART OF OUR PAVEMENT 

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MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, SO OUR 

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PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE PROGRAM IS 

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A MULTI-FUNDED PROGRAM, SO PART 

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OF THE MONEY COMES FROM THE 

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GENERAL FUND, PART OF THE MONEY 

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COMES FROM GAS TAX AS YOU 

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MENTIONED, AND THERE'S SOME 

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OTHER SOURCES AS WELL.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: OKAY.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU.

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I GUESS THAT CONCLUDES THE 

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QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

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JUST HAD A COUPLE CURIOSITY 

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QUESTIONS.

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WHAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE $2 MILLION 

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INCREASE IN INVESTMENT 

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PORTFOLIO?

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IS THAT FROM BONDS OR SOME OTHER 

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REASON?

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>> Mr. Persselin: THE CITY'S

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 CASH POOL IS RESTRICTED BY 

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STATE LAW TO A LIMITED SET OF 

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VERY SAFE INVESTMENT TYPES.

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AS YOU MENTIONED, THOSE ARE 

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THINGS LIKE FIXED INCOME 

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SECURITIES, AND THOSE ARE ALL 

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THE VALUE OF THOSE THINGS IS ALL 

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DRIVEN BY INTEREST RATES.

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SO TO THE EXTENT THAT INTEREST 

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RATES ARE GOING UP, WE'RE 

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EARNING MORE ON THOSE FIXED 

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INCOME INVESTMENTS.

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>> Mayor Salwan: IMPRESSIVE.

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AND THEN WHY IS THE SALES TAX 

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DOWN?

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IS THERE ANY EXPLANATION ON 

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THAT?

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BESIDES THE REPAYMENT?

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I MEAN, IS THERE --

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>> Mr. Persselin: SO I DON'T 

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KNOW IF I CAN PROVIDE A GREAT

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 EXPLANATION.

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WE'VE DONE SOME ANALYSIS ON THE 

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LAST FEW QUARTERS.

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AS YOU KNOW, BEFORE -- REALLY

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 BEFORE FISCAL YEAR 23-24, THE 

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REVENUES WE WERE RECEIVING 

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WEREN'T CORRECT, AND SO TRYING 

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TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TREND IS 

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LOOKING LIKE REALLY LIMITS US TO 

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JUST THE LAST FEW QUARTERS.

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AND BECAUSE THE STATE TOOK AWAY

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 MONEY IN NOT THIS MOST RECENT 

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QUARTER BUT IN THE TWO QUARTERS 

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BEFORE THAT, THAT MEANS WE HAVE 

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TO DO SOME MATH TO TRY TO FIGURE 

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OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO 

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UNDERLYING SALES TAX.

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SO IF WE WENT BACK THREE 

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QUARTERS TO THE QUARTER THAT -- 

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LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS 

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RIGHT -- THE QUARTER THAT ENDED 

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IN JUNE, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN 

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YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH IN THE 

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UNDERLYING SALES TAX REVENUE OF 

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AROUND 5%.

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IF YOU LOOK AT THE QUARTER THAT 

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ENDED SEPTEMBER, THAT SLOWED TO 

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ABOUT 3.1%.

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AND THEN THIS MOST RECENT 

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QUARTER THAT ENDED IN DECEMBER 

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LOOKS LIKE IT WAS ABOUT 3% YEAR 

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OVER YEAR.

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SO IT FEELS LIKE IT'S SLOWING 

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DOWN, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO

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 PINPOINT A SPECIFIC CAUSE.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU.

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AND THE OVERPAYMENT BY THE 

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STATE, AFTER THIS PAYMENT OF 

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THIS QUARTER, ARE WE DONE WITH 

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THE PAYMENTS THAT WE ARE -- 

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OKAY.

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>> Mr. Persselin: YES, SO THE 

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LAST QUARTER IN WHICH THE STATE 

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MADE A RECOVERY WAS THE PAYMENT 

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FOR THE SEPTEMBER ENDING 

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QUARTER.

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SO THIS MOST RECENT PAYMENT THAT 

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WE RECEIVED WAS A CLEAN 

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PAYMENT.

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NO TAKEAWAY, AND THE STATE'S 

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DONE.

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>> Mayor Salwan: AND THE 

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PROPERTY TAX IS DOWN BECAUSE OF 

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NOT ENOUGH SALES FROM HIGH 

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INTEREST RATES?

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>> Mr. Persselin: THAT'S 

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DEFINITELY WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE 

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CASE.

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THE LAST AS I MENTIONED IN THE 

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PRESENTATION, THE NUMBER OF 

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CHANGES IN OWNERSHIP IN CALENDAR

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 YEAR 2023, WHICH IS WHAT THE 

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24-25 REVENUE IS BASED ON, WAS 

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THE LOWEST NUMBER OF CHANGES IN 

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OWNERSHIP SINCE WELL BEFORE THE 

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GREAT RECESSION EVEN.

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SO IT REALLY SLOWED DOWN 

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TRANSACTIONS.

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NOW THE GOOD NEWS FOR US IS

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 THAT IN 2024, THE NUMBER OF 

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TRANSACTIONS DID INCREASE.

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IT'S STILL LOW COMPARED WITH 

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WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN RECENT YEARS, 

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BUT IT'S PICKED UP.

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BUT EVEN BETTER IS THAT THE 

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VALUE OF THOSE TRANSACTIONS HAS 

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PICKED BACK UP AGAIN AS WELL.

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SO HOPEFULLY IF THE FED DOES 

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REDUCE RATES, AT SOME POINT IN 

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THE CURRENT CALENDAR YEAR, 

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HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE A LITTLE 

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BIT MORE OF A PICKUP IN PROPERTY 

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SALES AND WITH THE HIGHER VALUES 

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THAT WILL HELP US OUT.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THE LAST 

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QUESTION, BUSINESS TAXES ARE 

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DOWN BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION 

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PERMITS OR CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS 

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TAXES, IS THAT CORRECT?

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>> Mr. Persselin: YES, THAT'S 

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RIGHT.

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WE SAW A LARGE -- SO 

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CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS TAXES IS 

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RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT 

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ACTIVITY.

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AND SO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE

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 PAST FEW YEARS IS A BIG WAVE OF 

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DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY THAT'S NOW 

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REALLY FALLING OFF.

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SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN -- WHAT WE'RE 

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SEEING SO FAR THIS YEAR IS THE 

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CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS

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 TAX IS ON THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT 

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WAVE.

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>> Mayor Salwan: VICE MAYOR 

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CAMPBELL AND --

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: YOU 

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ACTUALLY ASKED MY QUESTION ABOUT 

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THE CONSTRUCTION.

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>> Mayor Salwan: OH, OKAY.

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THANK YOU.

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COUNCILMEMBER KENG.

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>> Councilmember Keng: SO BASED 

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ON THE PROJECTION AND THE RECENT

[Captioner] 20:02:52
 TAX INCOME, WE'RE STILL LOOKING 

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-- YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE TO 

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PROJECT NEXT YEAR'S PROJECTED 

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REVENUE TO HAVE ALMOST $20 

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MILLION HIGHER?

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SO FROM 262.1 FROM THE ESTIMATE 

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OF 24-25 TO 21.6?

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>> Mr. Persselin: SO ONE OF THE 

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THINGS TO REMEMBER WHEN YOU'RE 

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COMPARING NEXT YEAR WITH THE 

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CURRENT YEAR IS THAT THE CURRENT 

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YEAR DOES INCLUDE ROUGHLY $12 

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MILLION THAT THE STATE TOOK 

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AWAY.

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SO COMPARING THE BOTTOM LINE 

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NUMBER FOR THE TWO YEARS IS SORT 

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OF AN APPLES TO ORANGES 

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COMPARISON.

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THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 

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HERE IS CLOSER TO PROBABLY LIKE 

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3% OR SOMETHING.

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BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY 

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FORECAST, AND AS I SAID OVER THE 

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NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, WE'RE GOING 

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TO BE RECEIVING MORE INFORMATION 

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AND IT WILL HAVE MORE 

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OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET WITH OUR 

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PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX 

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CONSULTANTS AND TRY TO SHARPEN 

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UP THOSE ESTIMATES.

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>> Councilmember Keng: THANK 

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YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU.

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SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR 

[Captioner] 20:04:03
QUESTIONS, COULD I GET A 

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MOTION?

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VICE MAYOR CAMPBELL MOVED, AND 

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SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KENG.

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PLEASE VOTE.

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7-0, UNANIMOUS, MOTION PASSES.

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ALL RIGHT.

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SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 

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7A, WHICH IS JOINT REFERRAL BY 

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN AND 

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MYSELF.

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I'M GOING TO HAVE COUNCILMEMBER 

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KIMBERLIN INTRODUCE THE 

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REFERRAL.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: 

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

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SO I HOPE EVERYONE HAS READ THE 

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SUMMARY BACKGROUND AND PROPOSAL 

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AND THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE 

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BOTTOM OF THE REFERRAL.

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AND I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT 

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OF BACKGROUND, A LITTLE BIT OF 

[Captioner] 20:04:52
SIDELINE STUFF.

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THE PURPOSE OF THIS REFERRAL IS 

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TO CLARIFY LANGUAGE IN THE 

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CAMPING ORDINANCE THAT WAS 

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ADOPTED ON FEBRUARY 11TH, 2025.

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A CONCERN -- BIG CONCERN HAS 

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BEEN REGARDING THE AIDING AND 

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ABETTING AND THE 

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MISINTERPRETATION THAT OUR 

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BELOVED PROPHETS, OUR 

[Captioner] 20:05:11
FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND 

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AGENCIES THAT THEY COULD SUFFER 

[Captioner] 20:05:13
CRIMINAL REPERCUSSION.

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IF THEY WERE TO CONTINUE 

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PROVIDING WATER, FOOD, AND 

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WARMTH FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE 

[Captioner] 20:05:19
UNHOUSED.

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THIS IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF 

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THE ACTUAL INTENT AND PURPOSE OF 

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THE ORDINANCE.

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WE'VE LISTENED TO AND EMPATHIZED 

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WITH A MULTITUDE OF COMMUNITY 

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MEMBERS WHO PROVIDE ALL KINDS OF 

[Captioner] 20:05:32
FEEDBACK ON ADDRESSING CRIMINAL 

[Captioner] 20:05:33
BEHAVIOR WHEN IT OCCURS, 

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PROTECTING EVERYONE'S HEALTH AND 

[Captioner] 20:05:37
SAFETY, AND EXERCISING 

[Captioner] 20:05:37
COMPASSION.

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CLARIFYING THIS ORDINANCE IS 

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ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO US 

[Captioner] 20:05:44
BECAUSE FOR DECADES, I THINK ALL 

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OF US UP HERE HAVE WORKED WITH 

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AND SUPPORTED THE CRITICAL WORK 

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OF OUR NON-PROFITS AND OUR 

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FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS WHO 

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OFTEN WORK WITH GOVERNMENT, 

[Captioner] 20:05:54
OFTEN DO WHAT GOVERNMENT CANNOT 

[Captioner] 20:05:54
DO.

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SO THIS REFERRAL IS AMENDING THE 

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CAMPING ORDINANCE BY DIRECTING 

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CITY STAFF TO BRING BACK AN 

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AMENDMENT TO THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE AS SET FORTH IN THIS 

[Captioner] 20:06:05
REFERRAL.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU.

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ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE 

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REFERRAL FROM ANY OF THE 

[Captioner] 20:06:10
COUNCILMEMBERS?

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VICE MAYOR CAMPBELL.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: THANK 

[Captioner] 20:06:19
YOU, MAYOR.

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I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS

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 ABOUT THE ORDINANCE AS IT 

[Captioner] 20:06:31
APPLIES TO AIDING AND ABETTING

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 FOR NOT JUST NON-PROFITS BUT 

[Captioner] 20:06:37
ANYBODY WHO HELPS UNHOUSED 

[Captioner] 20:06:37
INDIVIDUALS.

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I'M WONDERING HOW IT APPLIES TO 

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THE INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES.

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IRENE, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT 

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WE'RE DOING THIS FOR PEOPLE WHO 

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HELP THEM IN TERMS OF THE 

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CRIMINALIZATION PIECE, BUT HOW 

[Captioner] 20:06:57
DOES IT SUPPORT THE ACTUAL 

[Captioner] 20:06:59
PERSONS WHO ARE LIVING IN THE 

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ENCAMPMENTS OR WHO ARE 

[Captioner] 20:07:02
UNSHELTERED, WHO ARE MAYBE 

[Captioner] 20:07:05
LIVING IN THEIR VANS AND CARS, 

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ARE THEY THEN STILL SUBJECT TO 

[Captioner] 20:07:11
THE SAME PENALTIES FROM THIS 

[Captioner] 20:07:11
REFERRAL?

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>> Mayor Salwan: I'M NOT SURE 

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I'M UNDERSTANDING, ARE YOU 

[Captioner] 20:07:19
SAYING IF THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES 

[Captioner] 20:07:21
WHO ARE --

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: LET ME 

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SEE IF I CAN PUT IT ANOTHER 

[Captioner] 20:07:23
WAY.

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>> Mayor Salwan: AIDING AND 

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ABETTING THEMSELVES?

[Captioner] 20:07:29
>> Vice Mayor Campbell: NO, NO.

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SO THE WAY I SEE IT, AND I COULD 

[Captioner] 20:07:33
BE WRONG, SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND 

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THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

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THE CRIMINALIZATION PIECE 

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APPLIES TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE 

[Captioner] 20:07:41
UNHOUSED AS WELL AS THOSE WHO 

[Captioner] 20:07:42
AID AND ABET.

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IS THAT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION?

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>> Mayor Salwan: NO, I DON'T 

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THINK SO, BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY 

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CAN CLARIFY.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: THE 

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CAMPING ORDINANCE THAT WAS 

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ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL PROHIBITS 

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CAMPING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY AND 

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ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN MOST 

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SITUATIONS, AND IT HAS A VARIETY 

[Captioner] 20:08:06
OF ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS 

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INCLUDING POTENTIALLY CRIMINAL 

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PUNISHMENT IN THE FORM OF 

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PROSECUTION AS A MISDEMEANOR AND 

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JAIL TIME NOT TO EXCEED SIX 

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MONTHS OR A FINE UP TO $1,000.

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SO IT IS ONE OF THE FEATURES.

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SINCE THE ADOPTION, AND AT THE 

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COUNCIL MEETING REGARDING THE 

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ADOPTION OF THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE, CITY STAFF HAS 

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REPEATED THAT IT'S NOT A 

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VIOLATION OF DONATING GOODS TO 

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PEOPLE THAT ARE UNHOUSED, THAT 

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THAT ACTIVITY IS NOT PROHIBITED, 

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BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT 

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN'S 

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PROPOSAL IS TO STRIKE THAT 

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LANGUAGE IN ORDER TO REMOVE 

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UNCERTAINTY REGARDING THAT 

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PROVISION.

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THIS PROPOSAL --

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: BUT IT 

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ESSENTIALLY CARVES OUT A 

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POPULATION THAT WOULD NOT BE 

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CRIMINALIZED FOR THEIR ACTIVITY, 

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SO IT'S REALLY PULLING OUT OF

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 THE ORDINANCE THE PUNITIVE

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 PIECE FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD ATE 

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AND ABET.

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BUT IT'S NOT CARVING OUT A

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 PIECE FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE 

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LIVING IN THE ENCAMPMENTS AND 

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VANS AND MOTORHOMES?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: IF I 

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UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION 

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CORRECTLY, THIS PROPOSAL WOULD 

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NOT CHANGE THE PROHIBITION ON 

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CAMPING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: OKAY.

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SO THAT'S WHY I'M HAVING A 

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LITTLE BIT OF A HARD TIME TRYING 

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TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS THAT YOU 

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HAVE A LAW AND IT'S

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 NOT -- IT'S NOT EQUITABLE.

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IT DOESN'T APPLY ACROSS THE 

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BOARD.

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SOME PEOPLE GET A PASS AND OTHER 

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PEOPLE DON'T.

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AND THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING A 

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LITTLE BIT OF A HARD TIME 

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UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU CAN HAVE A 

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LAW THAT'S NOT EQUITABLE ACROSS 

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-- WHEN YOU'RE CARVING OUT 

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CERTAIN PIECES OF THE 

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POPULATION.

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IT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE DRIVING AND 

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YOU'RE SPEEDING, EVERYBODY GETS 

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THE SAME TICKET.

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YOU DON'T GET A PASS BECAUSE 

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YOU'RE RUSHING TO GET TO WORK OR 

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YOU'RE RUSHING TO PICK UP YOUR 

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KIDS.

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THE LAW IS THE LAW.

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AND IT SHOULD BE APPLIED 

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EQUITABLY.

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AND SO I'M NOT -- I'M NOT QUITE 

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UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE CARVING 

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THIS OUT.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: WELL, 

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THE PROPOSAL IS TO DLEECT DLEET

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 SECTION 8.90.060 SUBB1 THAT 

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INCLUDES THE AIDING AND ABETTING 

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LANGUAGE, AND THE MISDEMEANOR 

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ENFORCEMENT AND FINE.

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SO IT WOULD STRIKE THAT LANGUAGE 

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AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE GOAL 

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IS TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT BY 

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STRIKING THIS SECTION, THAT AN 

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INDIVIDUAL CANNOT -- WOULD NOT 

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BE PROHIBITED FROM PROVIDING 

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GOODS, SUCH AS CLOTHING AND

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 FOOD, TO ANY MEMBER OF THE 

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COMMUNITY AND THAT THAT IS THE 

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SCOPE OF THE PROPOSAL.

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SO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS NOT

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 WHAT'S BEING SUGGESTED AS PART 

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OF THE PROPOSAL AND THAT'S FOR 

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THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT THE 

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POLICY IS THAT IT SEEKS TO 

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PURSUE, BUT AGAIN, I DEFER TO 

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN, IF I'VE 

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MISCHARACTERIZED THE PROPOSAL, 

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BUT IT'S SIMPLY TO STRIKE THAT 

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LANGUAGE.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: ISN'T 

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THAT LANGUAGE ALSO ALREADY 

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EMBEDDED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE 

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CHAPTER 1.15?

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SO EVEN IF YOU STRIKE IT FROM 

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THIS ORDINANCE, IT'S STILL 

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APPLICABLE AS IT APPLIES TO 

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PENALTY PROVISIONS IN THE 

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FREMONT MUNICIPAL CODE.

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SO HOW IS THAT -- BY

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 STRIKING THAT HERE, THAT WE ARE 

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NOT ABIDING BY WHAT WE ALREADY 

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HAVE THAT'S ON THE BOOKS.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: YES, IT 

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IS ACCURATE THAT FREMONT, LIKE 

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MOST CALIFORNIA CITIES THAT 

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WE'VE REVIEWED, DOES HAVE, 

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WITHIN ITS TITLE 1 OF THE 

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MUNICIPAL CODE, LANGUAGE THAT 

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CLARIFIES THAT ANY VIOLATION OF 

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ANY PROVISION OF THE MUNICIPAL 

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CODE COULD SUBJECT SOMEONE TO 

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PROSECUTION AS A MISDEMEANOR AND 

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SUBJECT TO EITHER JAIL TIME OR 

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FINE.

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SO EVEN IF YOU STRIKE THAT 

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LANGUAGE FROM THE ORDINANCE THIS 

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EVENING, THE AIDING -- THE 

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SECTION IN THE ORDINANCE IN THE 

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CAMPING ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES 

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AIDING AND ABETTING AND CRIMINAL 

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PENALTIES, TITLE 1 WILL STILL 

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EXIST AND THOSE PROVISIONS 

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WITHIN TITLE 1 WILL CONTINUE TO 

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BE EFFECTIVE.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: OKAY.

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AND SOME OF THESE PROVISIONS 

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HERE OR THE PENALTIES HERE FOR 

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CONVICTIONS ARE A LOT LESS THAN 

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WHAT IS IN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE 

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THAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT.

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BECAUSE -- THESE SAY $200, $100,

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 IT'S PROGRESSIVE, SO THE FIRST 

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TIME YOU OFFEND, IT'S $100, THE 

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SECOND TIME IT'S $200, THE THIRD 

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OR SUBSEQUENT CONVICTION THEN 

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BECOMES A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE 

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THAT.

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HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT 

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WE'RE SEEING THAT'S BEFORE US 

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TONIGHT?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: THE 

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SECTION IN TITLE 1 THAT TALKS 

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ABOUT CRIMINAL PENALTIES IS A 

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LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS 

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INCLUDED IN THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE AND IT ACCOUNTS FOR 

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THE POSSIBILITY THAT CERTAIN 

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VIOLATIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE 

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WOULD BE CHARGED AS AN 

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INFRACTION RATHER THAN A 

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MISDEMEANOR SO IT INCLUDES 

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LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS THE CITY 

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BOTH TO PURSUE AS A MISDEMEANOR 

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WHICH INCLUDES POTENTIAL JAIL 

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TIME OF SIX MONTHS AND A $1,000 

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FINE, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES A 

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PROVISION THAT ALLOWS VIOLATIONS 

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TO BE PROSECUTED AS AN 

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INFRACTION, WHICH HAS LESSER 

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PENALTIES.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: CAN WE 

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CONSIDER THAT FOR THE ORDINANCE 

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THAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT, AN 

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INFRACTION RATHER THAN A 

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MISDEMEANOR TO ELIMINATE JAIL 

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TIME?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: IF YOU 

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WERE TO -- IF THE COUNCIL WERE 

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TO DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD 

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN'S 

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PROPOSAL, THE CITY WOULD HAVE 

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THE OPTION TO TREAT A VIOLATION 

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OF ANY MUNICIPAL CODE VIOLATION 

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INCLUDING VIOLATIONS OF THE 

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CAMPING ORDINANCE AS EITHER A 

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MISDEMEANOR OR AN INFRACTION.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: I SEE.

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I RESERVE THE REST OF MY 

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QUESTIONS FOR LATER.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR, FOR 

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THE TIME.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU.

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COUNCILMEMBER LIU.

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>> Councilmember Liu: SO I ALSO 

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HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

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I GUESS FIRST OF ALL JUST TO 

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CLARIFY ONE MORE TIME, I KNOW 

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THIS WAS ASKED TO YOU A LOT AT 

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THE MEETING WHETHER THE ORIGINAL 

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ORDINANCE PASSED, BUT I JUST 

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WANT TO CLARIFY.

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DOES THE WORD HOMELESS APPEAR IN 

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THE NEWLY ADDED SECTIONS AT 

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ALL?

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DO YOU KNOW?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: TO BE 

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CLEAR, THERE IS NO NEWLY ADDED 

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SECTIONS YET.

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>> Councilmember Liu: RIGHT, I 

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GUESS -- IN THE ORDINANCE TO BE 

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ADDED SECTIONS.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THE ORDINANCE 

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THAT WAS APPROVED, WHETHER THERE 

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WAS THE WORD HOMELESS USED, IS 

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THAT YOUR QUESTION?

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>> Councilmember Liu: YEA.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: NO, IT 

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BASICALLY PROHIBITED CAM MING ON 

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PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY.

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>> Councilmember Liu: SO THIS 

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SEEMS TO BE MORE ABOUT CAMPING 

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RATHER THAN HOMELESSNESS, 

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CORRECT?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: IT 

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SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS CAMPING 

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AND THE STORAGE OF PROPERTY ON 

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-- THE STORAGE OF PERSONAL 

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PROPERTY ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

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>> Councilmember Liu: THEN I 

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THINK WOULD THAT ALSO BE FAIR TO 

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SAY, PROVIDING FOOD, WATER, 

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MEDICAL AID, YOU KNOW, LIKE 

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TYLENOL, MEDICAL SUPPLIES TO 

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ANYBODY REGARDLESS IF THEY'RE 

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HOMELESS OR NOT IS REALLY NOT 

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COVERED BY THIS ORDINANCE IN THE 

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FIRST PLACE, CORRECT?

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BECAUSE LIKEWISE, THIS ORDINANCE 

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ALSO DOESN'T COVER THE SPEED 

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LIMIT OR ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE 

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IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: THE 

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CITY HAS BEEN CLEAR IN ITS 

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PUBLICATIONS THAT THAT ACTIVITY 

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IS NOT PROHIBITED BY THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE.

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THE DONATION OF GOODS.

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>> Councilmember Liu: RIGHT.

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I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT THERE 

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FOR EVERYBODY THERE BECAUSE I 

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STILL SEE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, 

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MISINFORMATION, A LOT OF FEAR 

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MONGERING, PEOPLE ARE REALLY 

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CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THIS 

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ORDINANCE IS ABOUT.

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SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK 

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YOU THOSE QUESTIONS, JUST SO WE 

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CAN MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO 

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EVERYBODY WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS 

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ABOUT.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: COUNCILMEMBER 

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ZHANG.

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>> Councilmember Zhang: THANK 

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YOU, MAYOR.

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SO WHEN I READ THIS ORDINANCE IN 

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ITS ENTIRETY, I THINK IT'S VERY 

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CLEAR, THE AIDING AND ABETTING 

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IS REFERRED TO THE PEOPLE WHO 

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ASSIST TO ERECT THE ENCAMPMENT, 

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BUT SINCE THE PUBLIC HAS ASKED 

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SO MANY QUESTIONS, AND ALSO THAT

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 YOU AND COUNCILMEMBER KATHY 

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KIMBERLIN STARTED THIS REFERRAL, 

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SO I THINK THAT IF WE STRIKE 

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THIS LANGUAGE OF THIS PARAGRAPH, 

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CAN WE ALSO JUST ADD JUST TO 

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CLARIFY THAT PROVIDE FOOD AND 

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GOODS IS NOT A VIOLATION, JUST 

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TO CLARIFY, TO PUT THIS INTO THE 

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END, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT 

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THIS?

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SO WOULD THAT COMPLICATE THINGS 

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WHICH IS IN THE SAME EFFECT THAT 

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WE CAN MOVE FORWARD?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: IT IS 

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POSSIBLE TO CRAFT THAT LANGUAGE 

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IF THE COUNCIL PROVIDES STAFF 

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THAT DIRECTION THIS EVENING.

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>> Councilmember Zhang: OKAY.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:

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 AND COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN 

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WERE TO ACCEPT THAT BECAUSE IT 

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IS HER REFERRAL.

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>> Mayor Salwan: WE CAN 

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DEFINITELY LOOK AT POLICY 

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LANGUAGE.

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin: I 

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THINK IT'S KIND OF BEEN 

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ANSWERED, BUT THE AIDING AND 

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ABETTING WAS MISUNDERSTOOD.

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THE AIDING AND ABETTING DOES NOT 

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-- REALLY DOES NOT INCLUDE 

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PROVIDING PEOPLE THINGS TO KEEP 

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THEM ALIVE LIKE FOOD AND WATER 

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AND CLOTHING AND SLEEPING BAGS 

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SO THAT THEY DON'T FREEZE TO 

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DEATH.

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IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT.

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AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW -- LIKE 

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COUNCILMEMBER LIU, HOW MUCH 

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CLEARER THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT, 

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AND THAT REALLY, THE VIOLATION 

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IS STORAGE OF PERSONAL PROPERTY 

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AND CAMPING IN PUBLIC AREAS.

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THIS DID COME BEFORE A PREVIOUS 

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COUNCIL, BUT AS A COUNCIL, WE 

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WORKED TOGETHER AND WE'RE 

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WORKING TOGETHER TONIGHT TO TRY 

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TO BRING CLARIFICATION TO THIS.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU.

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COUNCILMEMBER SHAO.

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>> Councilmember Shao: THANK 

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YOU, MR. MAYOR.

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THIS QUESTION IS FOR YOU.

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DID YOU EVER, AFTER

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 ADOPTING THIS RESOLUTION, GO TO 

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PROVIDE BOTTLED WATER OR FOOD TO 

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UNHOUSED PEOPLE IN FREMONT?

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>> Mayor Salwan: ABSOLUTELY.

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>> Councilmember Shao: DID YOU 

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HAVE A FEAR OF BEING PROSECUTED 

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BY THE CITY ATTORNEY?

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>> Mayor Salwan: ABSOLUTELY 

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NOT.

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>> Councilmember Shao: 

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UNDERSTANDING THAT, OF COURSE, 

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THIS ORDINANCE HASN'T BEEN 

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OFFICIALLY BECOMING EFFECTIVE, 

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AFTER IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE, DO 

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YOU STILL PLAN TO PROVIDE 

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BOTTLED WATER OR FOOD TO ANY 

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UNHOUSED POPULATION IN FREMONT?

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>> Mayor Salwan: I ABSOLUTELY 

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WILL.

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>> Councilmember Shao: THANK YOU 

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VERY MUCH.

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SO I BELIEVE IF WE TRY TO

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 LIST WATER, FOOD, CLOTHING, 

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SLEEPING BAG, THINK OF THAT, YOU 

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CAN ALSO GIVE THEM MONEY.

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YOU CAN ALSO GIVE THEM -- OR 

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ANYONE, CRYPTO MONEY.

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THAT ALSO CAN BE CONSIDERED 

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RESOURCES.

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SO IN THAT SENSE, THERE

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 WILL BE -- YOU KNOW, ENDLESS 

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LIST THERE THAT PEOPLE CAN 

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IMAGINE TO GIVE TO ANOTHER 

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PERSON.

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FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW,

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 JUST PUT ON WILL AND LET

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 THEM INHERIT THE ESTATE.

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THAT'S ALSO A WAY TO PROVIDE ANY

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 RESOURCES.

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SO I

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 BELIEVE IT'S GOOD THAT WE HAVE 

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THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN UP ANY 

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MISINTERPRETATION, AND ALSO ALL 

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THE INTERPRETATION PROVIDED BY 

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OUR CITY ATTORNEY NOT ONLY AT 

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TODAY'S SESSION BUT IN PREVIOUS 

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SESSIONS HAVE BECOME PUBLIC 

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RECORD.

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ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THAT THEY 

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CAN BE MIS -- PROSECUTED CAN USE 

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THAT AS EVIDENCE.

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 IN THE COURT TO DEFEND 

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THEMSELVES.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU.

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HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE, 

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MADAM CITY CLERK?

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>> Ms. Gauthier: 21.

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>> Mayor Salwan: OKAY.

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COUNCILMEMBER CAMPBELL, DO YOU 

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HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION?

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: JUST 

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REALLY A CLARIFYING QUESTION, 

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IT'S PROBABLY TO THE CITY 

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ATTORNEY.

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IF WE STRIKE THAT PARTICULAR

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 LANGUAGE, THE AIDING AND 

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ABETTING PIECE, MY QUESTION

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 IS, ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE 

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CAMPING ORDINANCE ON THE 

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WATERWAYS, ENCAMPMENTS, WOULD 

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STILL BE SUBJECT TO SOME SORT OF 

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PUNISHMENT, CORRECT?

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EVEN WITH THAT LANGUAGE 

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SLIEKED.

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 STRIKED.

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I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION OF 

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THAT.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: IN YOUR 

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HYPOTHETICAL AS I UNDERSTAND IT, 

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AN INDIVIDUAL ERECTING A 

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STRUCTURE ALONG AN EMBANKMENT 

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WOULD BE SUBJECT TO PENALTY 

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UNDER THE CURRENT CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE.

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IF ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL ASSISTS IN 

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THE ERECTION OF THAT STRUCTURE, 

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IS THAT THE HYPOTHETICAL THAT 

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YOU'RE ASKING?

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: NO --

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: IF THE 

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PERSON IS HELPING?

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: NO, I'M 

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ASKING -- LET ME SEE IF I CAN 

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REPHRASE IT.

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IF THE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD 

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TODAY TO REMOVE THE LANGUAGE

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 THAT'S ON -- THAT TALKS

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 ABOUT B, B1, WHICH IS THE 

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ENFORCEMENT PIECE, B1, SO THAT'S 

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GONE, WHAT HAPPENS TO A PERSON 

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WHO IS SLEEPING IN AN 

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ENCAMPMENT, SLEEPING ON THE SIDE 

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OF THE ROAD, WHAT HAPPENS TO 

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THEM IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: WELL, 

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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE 

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CITY'S MET TEAM WOULD TYPICALLY 

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GO TO A SITE AND WORK WITH THE 

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INDIVIDUAL THAT'S THERE TO 

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EFFECTUATE WHATEVER ENFORCEMENT 

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PROCEDURES ARE BEING PURSUED, 

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AND THAT THAT MIGHT NOT RESULT 

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IN AN ARREST, BUT I THINK WHAT 

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YOU'RE ASKING ME IS WHETHER 

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SOMEONE CAMPING, EVEN IF 

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TONIGHT'S PROPOSAL MOVES 

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FORWARD, WHETHER SOMEONE CAMPING 

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ON PUBLIC PROPERTY COULD STILL 

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BE SUBJECT TO CRIMINAL PENALTY 

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UNDER THE FREMONT MUNICIPAL 

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CODE, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS 

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YES.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: OKAY.

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SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF WE 

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COULD CHANGE THAT TO AN 

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INFRACTION RATHER THAN A 

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MISDEMEANOR.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: IF YOU 

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MOVE FORWARD WITH COUNCILMEMBER 

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KIMBERLIN'S PROPOSAL, YOU 

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WOULDN'T NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE 

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THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE STRICKEN 

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FROM THE CAMPING ORDINANCE AND 

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THE EXISTING TITLE 1, WHICH 

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ALLOWS FOR ENFORCEMENT THROUGH 

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AN INFRACTION, THAT COULD 

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APPLY.

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SO YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO ADD THAT 

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LANGUAGE TO THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE BECAUSE THAT LANGUAGE 

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EXISTS WITHIN TITLE 1.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: YOU MEAN 

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-- THE ORDINANCE ALREADY EXISTS 

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ANYWAY.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: THE 

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PROPOSAL THIS EVENING IS TO 

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STRIKE THAT LANGUAGE.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: I SEE.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: ONCE YOU REMOVE 

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THAT ORDINANCE THAT DEFLECTS THE 

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MUNICIPAL CODE WHICH ALLOWS FOR 

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LOWER PENALTIES SUCH AS 

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INFRACTIONS SO IT GIVES MORE 

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POWER, MORE FLEXIBILITY.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: RIGHT 

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NOW THE CAMPING ORDINANCE HAS 

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LANGUAGE THAT SAYS IF YOU 

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VIOLATE THE CAMPING ORDINANCE, 

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IT CAN -- YOU CAN BE CHARGED 

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WITH A MISDEMEANOR AND SUBJECT 

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TO A FINE UP TO $1,000 AND 

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POTENTIALLY JAIL TIME OF SIX 

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MONTHS.

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IF YOU WERE TO STRIKE THAT 

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LANGUAGE, IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE 

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ORDINANCE.

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TITLE 1 DOES HAVE A SIMILAR 

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PROVISION REGARDING MISDEMEANOR, 

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BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES THE CITY 

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THE OPTION IN THE ALTERNATIVE TO 

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PURSUE ENFORCEMENT AS AN 

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INFRACTION.

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AND, THEREFORE, YOU YOU DON'T 

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NEED TO ADD IT TO THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT ALREADY 

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EXISTS WITHIN TITLE 1.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: SO THAT 

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JUST GIVES THEM THE AUTHORITY TO 

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PICK ONE OR THE OTHER?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado: 

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CORRECT.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell: THANK 

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YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU.

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THAT CONCLUDES THE QUESTIONS.

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WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

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I'LL GIVE ONE MINUTE EACH.

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THE CITY CLERK WILL CALL EACH 

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SPEAKER AT A TIME.

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PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL DURING THIS 

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TIME, NO CLAPPING, CHEERING, 

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BOOING.

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RESPECTFUL.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Ms. Gauthier: HERBERT CHU.

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FOLLOWED BY MARIE HUGHES.

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SABIL LANDROM.

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RICHARD GODFREY.

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>> GOOD EVENING.

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MY NAME IS HERB CHU AND I HAVE 

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READ THE REFERRAL TONIGHT ON 

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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 AND I WOULD 

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LIKE TO COMMEND COUNCILMEMBER 

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KIMBERLIN AND MAYOR SALWAN FOR 

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THE EFFORT TO REMOVE LANGUAGE 

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AMBIGUITY IN THE ORDINANCE.

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AND FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS

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 TO COLLABORATE WITH FAITH-BASED 

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AND OTHER ESTABLISHED NON-PROFIT 

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ORGANIZATIONS TO ADDRESS THE 

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ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS IN OUR 

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COMMUNITY.

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IT IS -- THAT WE WORK TOGETHER 

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WITH CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, 

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LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE 

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COMMUNITY TO PRIORITIZE FINDING 

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A TEMPORARY SOLUTION FOR 

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UNHOUSED COMMUNITY HUMANELY, 

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SENSITIVELY AND SWIFTLY.

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WE ARE WARNED ABOUT POTENTIAL 

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CUTS TO THE STATE HOMELESS 

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SHELTER FUNDING UNDERSCORED THE 

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URGENCY OF THIS MATTER.

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THE GOVERNOR WILL NOT BE GIVING 

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FUNDING TO THE CITY THAT NOT 

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REDUCE ENCAMPMENT.

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BY WORKING TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE 

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ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS A TOP 

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PRIORITY FOR THIS YEAR.

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THANK YOU.

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>> MARIE HUGHES, 30-YEAR 

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RESIDENT OF FREMONT.

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I'M GOING TO TELL YOU A STORY 

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ABOUT AN RV.

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MY LATE FATHER-IN-LAW, WONDERFUL 

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MAN, LOVED RVs AND HE WAS ALWAYS 

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BUYS USED ONES, FIXING THEM UP 

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AND GIVING THEM TO PEOPLE.

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HE GAVE US ONE ONCE.

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IT WAS ENORMOUS AND ANCIENT, AND 

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IT ONLY WORKED FOR A LITTLE 

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WHILE.

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SO WE PARKED IT IN THE SIDE OF 

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THE YARD AND WE USED IT AS A 

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LITTLE GUEST HOUSE FOR WHEN THE 

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GRANDPARENTS CAME TO VISIT FOR 

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WEEKS.

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NOT THREE DAYS.

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WEEKS.

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THEN WE HAD TO RENEW 

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REGISTRATION, IT WOULDN'T PASS 

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SMOG, WE GAVE TO AN UNHOUSED 

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PERSON WHICH WOULD BE AIDING AND 

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ABETTING CAMPING.

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BECAUSE CAMPING IS NOT JUST 

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DEFINED AS ENCAMPMENTS, IT'S 

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DEFINED AS LIVING IN AN RV.

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YOU NEED TO REMOVE THIS LANGUAGE 

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AND YOU NEED TO LET PEOPLE -- 

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LET PEOPLE CAMP ON THEIR 

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PERSONAL PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR 

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MORE THAN THREE DAYS.

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AND IF YOU DON'T WANT THOSE 

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THINGS TO BE ILLEGAL,

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 DON'T LET THEM BE ILLEGAL.

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>> HI, I'M A SENIOR STAFF 

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ATTORNEY AT EAST BAY COMMUNITY 

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LAW CENTER, AND THIS PROPOSAL 

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WHILE I THINK IS INTENDED TO 

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ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING ACTUALLY 

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DOESN'T DO ANYTHING IN THE END.

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THIS ORDINANCE HAS TO BE 

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REPEALED BECAUSE JUST STRIKING 

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THE LANGUAGE DOESN'T GET RID OF 

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THE GENERAL PROVISIONS IN THE 

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CODE THAT STILL WILL ALLOW FOR 

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THE CRIMINALIZATION OF THOSE WHO 

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ARE LIVING ON THE STREET AND 

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WILL NOT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING TO 

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PROTECT THOSE WHO ARE HELPING 

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THEM.

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UNLESS YOU EITHER CHANGE THIS 

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ORDINANCE TO EXPLICITLY STATE 

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WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED AND NOT JUST 

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WHAT YOU VERBALLY SAY YOU WILL 

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NOT INTEND, IT DOESN'T DO 

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ANYTHING.

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AND COUNCILMEMBER SHAO IS WRONG, 

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YOU CANNOT USE IT AS A DEFENSE 

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THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING HERE TODAY 

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SAYING WHAT YOU INTEND OR DO NOT 

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INTEND IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE 

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UNLESS THERE'S AMBIGUITY IN THE 

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LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE ITSELF, 

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YOU CANNOT LOOK AT WHAT THE 

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INTENT WAS.

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SO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS MAKE 

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YOUR LANGUAGE VERY CLEAR, 

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EXPLICITLY STATE WHAT IS 

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CONSIDERED AN ILLEGAL ACT.

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IF IT A SPECIFIC TYPE OF --

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>> Ms. Gauthier: THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan: THANK YOU, 

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MA'AM.

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>> Ms. Gauthier: AFTER MR. 

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GODFREY IS BARBARA TAYLOR.

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TAWNEY WARREN, ELIZABETH SHAVER, 

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AND SANDRA.

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>> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY 

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TO PRESENT.

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MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

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I THINK WE'VE HEARD MUCH TONIGHT 

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AS TO THE BENEFITS OF WORKING 

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WITH NON-PROFITS, WHICH IS 

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ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE 

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CITY.

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WE'VE SPENT THREE MONTHS NOW, 

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ALMOST THREE MONTHS ON THIS 

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ORDINANCE.

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IN THE MEANTIME, THE CITY OF 

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FREMONT HAS DEVELOPED A NATIONAL 

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REPUTATION AS BEING ONE OF THE 

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HARSHEST CITIES IN THE UNITED 

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STATES.

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I URGE YOU TO NOW WORK IN A 

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DIRECTION TO SOLVE WITH 

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PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS OUR PROBLEMS 

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IN THIS CITY, AND I WOULD 

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SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE BEEN TAKING 

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BABY STEPS TOWARDS A 

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AUTHORITATIVE POLICE STATE 

[Captioner] 20:29:34
RATHER THAN GIANT STEPS TOWARDS 

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A TRULY COMPASSIONATE CITY.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

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>> MY NAME IS BARB TAYLOR.

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I'M REPRESENTING AN ADVOCACY 

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GROUP CALLED BRAIDED BRIDGES AND 

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WE ARE DEMANDING A FULL

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 ALL REVENUES OF ABATING, AIDING 

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AND ABIDING.

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I KNOW A LOT OF YOU PROBABLY DO 

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NOT KNOW A LOT ABOUT HOMELESS 

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PEOPLE.

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I HAVE GIRLS THAT SLEEP WITH MEN

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 THAT THEY DON'T EVEN CARE 

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ABOUT.

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OR LIKE EVEN, JUST

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 SO THEY DON'T GET RAPED.

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BUT THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT.

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COME ON.

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THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OUT 

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THERE YOU GUYS DO NOT KNOW AND 

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IT IS NOT ONLY HOMELESS PEOPLE 

[Captioner] 20:30:41
THAT ARE RAPING THEM.

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IT IS OTHER PEOPLE AND IT IS 

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JUST NOTE RIGHT.

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YOU GUYS GOT TO DO SOMETHING 

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THAT WORKS WITH THEM.

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NOT AGAINST THEM.

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>> The Clerk:   THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   THANK YOU 

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MA'AM, THANK YOU.

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>> HELLO, MY NAME IS TAWNY 

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WARREN AND I'M HERE TODAY 

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REPRESENTING MYSELF AND, YOU 

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KNOW, HOPEFULLY THOSE WHO ARE 

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OUR UNHOUSED COMMUNITY.

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I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO 

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COMIBL AND TO MAYOR SALWAN FOR 

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THIS REFERRAL, I DO APPRECIATE 

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THE IDEA OF STRIKING OUT THIS 

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LANGUAGE.

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MANY OF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS.

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BUT MANY OF YOU KNOW ME THERE 

[Captioner] 20:31:34
VERY LONG TIME.

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BUT YOU KNOW FROM BIRTH TO -- 

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TILL 30 YEARS OLD I WAS HOMELESS 

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MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT MY 

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LIFE.

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AND ONE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD 

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LOVE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, IS TO 

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BRING THIS DOWN TO AN  

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INFRACTION.

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BECAUSE ANYTHING BEYOND THE COST 

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OF A FRACTION TO A PERSON WHO IS 

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UNHOUSED AND HAS NO RESOURCES 

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AMOUNT NO FUNDS, TO BE JAILED 

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FOR SIX MONTHS OR FINED A 

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THOUSAND DOLLARS IS BEYOND 

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PUNITIVE SO THANK YOU.

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>> GOOD EVENING.

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I'M HERE OBVIOUSLY TO TALK ABOUT 

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THE CAMPING BAN.

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OTHERWISE KNOWN COLLOQUIALLY AS 

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THE HOMELESS CAMPING BAN.

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WE'VE HAD SINCE DECEMBER 17th, 

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WITH EVERYBODY THIS THIS ROOM, 

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TO CLARIFY THAT THIS WAS NOT 

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GOING TO BE A SELECTIVE 

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ENFORCEMENT UPON THE HOMELESS.

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THAT'S A LOT OF WEEKS TO GO BY, 

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BY NOT CLARIFYING THAT 

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LANGUAGE.

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I'D LIKE TO SAY RIGHT NOW THAT 

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WITH THIS CHANGE OF LANGUAGE, 

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I'D LIKE TO THANK BOTH KATHY AND 

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RAJ FOR DOING THIS FROM THE 

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BOTTOM OF MY HEART, YOU NEED TO 

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GO FURTHER.

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I'D LIKE TO RETURN OF THE $1 

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MILLION BACK TO THE HOMELESS 

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RESPONSE PLAN.

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BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEEDED FOR 

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ENFORCEMENT ANYMORE.

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THANK YOU.

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>> The Clerk:   AFTER THIS NEXT 

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SPEAKER, IT IS KATE AMON, JASON

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, SAREZ, ROBBIE

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 POWELLSON, ANTHONY PRINCE

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 AND SENDARI.

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>> GOOD EVENING, I'M BETH 

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SCHAEFFER PRESIDENT OF MISSION 

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PEOPLE UNITARIAN, UNIVERSALIST

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, WE DISAGREE WITH THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE SO STRONGLY THAT WE'VE 

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JOINED WITH OTHER COMMUNITY AND 

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NATE BASED GROUPS IN A LAWSUIT 

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AGAINST THE CITY OF FREMONT FOR 

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THE AIDING AND ABETTING CLAUSE.

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THE REFERRAL BEING CONSIDERED 

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TONIGHT WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL 

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IN SOLVING THE PROBLEMS WITH THE 

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CAMPING BAN ORDINANCE.

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FOR TWO REASONS.

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FIRST, THE AIDING AND ABETTING 

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WORDS ARE STILL CONTAINED IN THE 

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MUNICIPAL CODE, FIXING THIS DOES 

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NOT FIX THAT.

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SECOND, THE PROPOSAL CHANGES 

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FAIL TO EVEN ADDRESS THE 

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ORIGINAL ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS 

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IN FREMONT.

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YOU'RE STILL PLANNING TO 

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CRIMINALIZE BEING WITHOUT A ROOF 

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AND NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF 

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UNHOUSED PEOPLE STILL REQUIRE A 

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SAFE PLACE TO LIVE INDOORS.

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>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND 

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COUNCIL.

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THE REFERRAL ON CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE TO REMOVE THE AIDING 

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AND ABETTING CLAUSE SOUNDED LIKE 

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A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

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UNFORTUNATELY, AIDING AND  

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ABETTING IS EMBEDDED IN  

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FREMONT'S MUNICIPAL CODE.

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LET'S PUT OUR EFFORT AND MONEY 

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TOWARDS EFFECTIVE AND HUMANE 

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SOLUTIONS TO HOMELESSNESS, 

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SECURE FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY 

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AND STATE AND ENSURE  

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ACCOUNTABILITY.

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LET'S EXPAND SHORTER TERM 

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SHELTER AND EXPAND SAFE PARKING 

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TO INCLUDE FAMILIES AND RVS.

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THANK YOU.

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>> HI, JASON SERRIS FROM THE

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 CALIFORNIA HOMELESS UNION.

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YOU HAVE JUST MADE IT ILLEGAL TO 

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EXIST AND MADE IT A CRIME FOR 

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ANYBODY TO POSSESS ANY CAMPING 

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PARAPHERNALIA IN THE CITY OF 

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FREMONT.

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THIS SHOCKS THE CONSCIENCE AND 

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THIS IS WHY YOU ARE GETTING  

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SUED.

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THE CITY OF FREMONT DID IN FACT 

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MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO POSSESS  

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CAMPING PARAPHERNALIA THAT IS 

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PUNISHABLE BY MISDEMEANOR CRIME 

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SO WHEN A PERSON OR ORGANIZATION 

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OR EVEN THE MAYOR KNOWING

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LY FURNISHES A HOMELESS PERSON 

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WITH ANY CAMPING PARAPHERNALIA 

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WHICH THEY KNOW TO BE ILLEGAL, 

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THEY CAN BE ARRESTED FOR AIDING 

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AN  ABETTING UNDER THE AIDING 

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AND  ABETTING CODE UNDER THE 

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MUNICIPAL CODE.

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THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF AIDING 

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AND ABETTING --

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>> ROBIN TOWNSEND.

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I WANT TO IN A NUTSHELL EXPLAIN 

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TO EVERYBODY THE DIFFERENCE 

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BETWEEN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE 

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AND THE NEW ORDINANCE AND WHY 

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REPEALING THIS SECTION DOESN'T 

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DO ANYTHING.

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THE OLD ORDINANCE CRIMINALIZES 

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LODGING WHICH IS THE PHYSICAL 

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PLACE THAT A HUMAN BODY WOULD  

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BE.

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AND IN THE CURRENT, IN THE NEW 

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ORDINANCE PARAPHERNALIA, TENTS, 

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TARPS, BLANKETS, THOSE THINKS 

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BECOME INSTRUMENTS OF  

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CRIMINALITY.

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THAT IS WHAT CHANGES IT SO THAT 

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PEOPLE PROVIDING THINGS ARE 

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SUFNLTD AT RISK OF CRIMINAL 

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LIABILITY BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE 

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FURNISHING INSTRUMENTS OF 

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CONTRACTUAL.

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 CRIMINALITY.

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GOODS AND SERVICES, ANYTHING 

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THAT CAN BE CONSTRUED AS AIDING 

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AN ABETTING AND PROVIDING  

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CAMPING PARAPHERNALIA IS AT  

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RISK.

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THAT'S WHY WE GOT TO STICK 

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TOGETHER AND NOT BE  DISTRACTED 

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--

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>> Mayor Salwan:   THANK YOU.

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>> MY NAME IS (INAUDIBLE) 

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RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 6.

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I'M HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF 

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THE AMENDMENT TO THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE BROUGHT FORWARD BY 

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MAYOR SALWAN AND COUNCILMEMBER 

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KATHY KIMBERLIN.

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I WANT TO THANK THE FREMONT CITY 

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COUNCIL AND THE POLICE 

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DEPARTMENT FOR THE COMMITMENT TO 

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THE SOLUTION TO HOMELESSNESS, 

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HOWEVER, I WANT TO ADDRESS 

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MISINFORMATION ABOUT THIS 

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ORDINANCE.

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SERVICE PROVIDER WE NEVER AT 

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RISK OF BEING PENALIZED FOR 

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HELPING THOSE IN NEED.

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CITY ATTORNEY, POLICE CHIEF SEAN 

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WASHINGTON HAVE MADE THIS 

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CRYSTAL CLEAR.

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UNFORTUNATELY, MISLEAD BEING 

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INFORMATION IS PARKED FREE IN 

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OUR COMMUNITY NOW A LAWSUIT.

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THIS AMENDMENT IS AN OPPORTUNITY 

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TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT AND 

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REAFFIRM THE VALUES, 

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COLLABORATION AND SUPPORT AROUND 

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PRACTICAL SOLUTION.

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PASS THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 

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TONIGHT.

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THANK YOU.

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>> The Clerk:   THE SECOND AND 

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LAST CALL FOR ANTHONY PRINCE, 

[Captioner] 20:38:33
MARILYN HARRIS, ROARCHED BARBARA

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 REVEREND BARB MEYERS, CAROLYN

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 MEYERS AND LIZ AIMES.

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COME ON UP.

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>> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS MARY 

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LYNN HARRIS AND I'M REPRESENTING 

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FREMONT FOR EVERYONE.

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AS SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, FREMONT 

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IS

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 NOT FOR EVERYONE.

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I DEMAND A FULL REPEAL OF THE 

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CAMPING ORDINANCE FULL FROM THE 

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SCRATCH INCLUDING THE FMC 1.1.

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 1.1.0040, REMOVE ALL CRIMINAL 

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VIOLATIONS AND FINES, ALLOW 

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PROPERTY OWNERS TO PROVIDE 

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SHELTER FOR MORE THAN THREE 

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 CONSERVATIVE NIGHTS

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 CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS.

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AND THE CITY HAS ALSO FAILED TO 

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BUILD HOUSING TO KEEP THE  

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UNHOUSED HOUSED AND PROVIDE 

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SERVICES THAT WOULD HELP.

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THANK YOU.

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CONSERVATIVE

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>> GOOD EVENING, I'M REVEREND 

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BARBARA MEYERS, AFFILIATED WITH 

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MISSION PEAK UNIVERSALIST 

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UNITARIAN CHURCH.

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I WANT TO COMMEND COUNCILMEMBER 

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 KATHY KIMBERLIN AND

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 MAYOR RAJ SALWAN.

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I HAVE OTHER THINGS I WOULD 

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RESPECTFULLY LIKE YOU TO 

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CONSIDER.

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FIRST ROOFERL OF ANY OTHER 

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REFERENCES TO AIDING AND  

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  ABETTING IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE 

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IN REGARDS TO THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE, REMOVAL OF ALL 

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CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS AND FINES 

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FROM THE ORDINANCE.

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CRIMINALIZATION IS HARMLESS TO 

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THE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND YOU 

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DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A CHANCE OF 

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COLLECTING FEES FROM THEM.

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AND THIRDLY, TO ALLOW PROPERTY 

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OWNERS TO PROVIDE SHELTER FOR 

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MORE THAN THREE CONSECUTIVE 

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NIGHTS.

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I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU

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 REVIEW, THANK YOU.

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>> HELLO, MY NAME IS CAROLINE 

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HARRIS, I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF 

[Captioner] 20:41:03
THIS EVENING.

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I'M A RESIDENT OF FREMONT AND I 

[Captioner] 20:41:08
SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO KATHY 

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KIMBERLIN AND MAYOR SALWAN FOR 

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BRINGING THIS PROPOSAL TO REMOVE 

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THE PARAGRAPH AIDING AND 

[Captioner] 20:41:14
ABETTING.

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I LOOK FORWARD TO THE TIME WHEN 

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THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE BE REMOVED 

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AND WE SPEND OUR TIME AND ENERGY 

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ON SOLUTIONS RATHER THAN MOVING 

[Captioner] 20:41:26
PEOPLE FROM PLACE TO PLACE.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> The Clerk:   THANK YOU.

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AFTER LIZ AIMES IS VIVIAN WAN,

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 ANN°MENSON, SWAY, SETOR

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I AND  IRSH SHAW.

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>> GOOD EVENING, I'M LIZ AIMES, 

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I'M YOUR BART DIRECTOR, I WOULD 

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URGE THIS COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER 

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THE ORDINANCE.

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I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.

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YOU SEE A LOT OF GOVERNMENT 

[Captioner] 20:41:54
AGENCIES FOCUSING ON THE PROBLEM 

[Captioner] 20:41:55
AND IT'S REALLY WE SHOULD BE 

[Captioner] 20:41:58
FOCUSING ON SOLUTIONS, AND I'M 

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HOPEFUL WE CAN REQUEST OUR 

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POLICE DEPARTMENT AND COME UP 

[Captioner] 20:42:04
WITH A PLAN WHERE WE HAVE GOT 

[Captioner] 20:42:05
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TAKING 

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FOLKS TO A SHELTER, TAKING FOLKS 

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TO ABODE.

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SO I'M HOPING FOR SOLUTIONS.

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THANK YOU.

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>> GOOD EVENING.

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VIV APP WAN WITH ABODE SERVICES, 

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CEO.

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THIS IS SUCH A POORLY CRAFTED 

[Captioner] 20:42:29
ORDINANCE THROUGH AND THROUGH.

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THIS IS WHY WE'RE COMING UP JUST 

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A FEW WEEKS LATER TO REVISE IT.

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I AGREE WITH EVERYONE ELSE HERE 

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THAT IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE 

[Captioner] 20:42:38
REPEALED TOTALLY.

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THAT IF YOU WANTED TO ACTUALLY 

[Captioner] 20:42:41
SOLVE A PROBLEM AND BRINGING 

[Captioner] 20:42:42
PEOPLE TOGETHER LIKE LEADERS ARE 

[Captioner] 20:42:44
SUPPOSED TO YOU WOULD HAVE 

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ACTUALLY HAD THAT CONVERSATION 

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BEFORE THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED 

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SO WE COULD ACTUALLY SOLVE 

[Captioner] 20:42:50
PROBLEMS.

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ABODE SERVICES PROVIDE 60% OF 

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THE SHOARLT BEDS THAT ARE 

[Captioner] 20:42:55
PERMANENT, FULL YEAR.

[Captioner] 20:42:57
YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU PAY FOR 

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THOSE SHELTER BEDS?

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$7 A DAY PER PERSON.

[Captioner] 20:43:02
FOR THREE MEALS A DAY, LODGING, 

[Captioner] 20:43:04
YOU WOULD RATHER PAY FOR MORE 

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POLICE, MORE ENFORCEMENT THAN 

[Captioner] 20:43:08
ACTUALLY SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY.

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SHAME ON YOU.

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>> MY NAME IS ANDREA HENSON I'M 

[Captioner] 20:43:20
A CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY AND I'VE 

[Captioner] 20:43:21
WORKED WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS 

[Captioner] 20:43:24
ALL ACROSS THE STATE ON HOMELESS 

[Captioner] 20:43:25
ISSUES.

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LET'S NOT BE CONFUSED THIS IS 

[Captioner] 20:43:28
NOT A CAMPING ORDINANCE 

[Captioner] 20:43:32
COMFORTABLE THIS IS SELECTED, 

[Captioner] 20:43:34
OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING, HOMELESS 

[Captioner] 20:43:36
INDIVIDUALS HELP EACH OTHER PUT 

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UP TENTS SO I BELIEVE AS

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 COUNCILMEMBER CAMPBELL BROUGHT 

[Captioner] 20:43:46
UP, THEY WOULD BE HELPING EACH 

[Captioner] 20:43:47
OTHER ESPECIALLY BECAUSE  

[Captioner] 20:43:50
HOMELESS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY 

[Captioner] 20:43:51
DISABLED.

[Captioner] 20:43:53
WE HAPPENED OUT TENTS THAT IS 

[Captioner] 20:43:56
ADA COMPLIANT AS WELL AS COTS 

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THAT ARE AGAINST THE LAW, THEY 

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CAN'T SLEEP ON THE GROUND, 80 

[Captioner] 20:44:03
YEAR OLDS, 70 YEAR OLDS, OATS.

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MANY OF YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT 

[Captioner] 20:44:06
THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO SLEEPING 

[Captioner] 20:44:08
BAGS BUT IN CAMPING 

[Captioner] 20:44:10
PARAPHERNALIA, IT TALKS ABOUT 

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INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO 

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SLEEPING BAGS.

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SO HOW CAN THINGS BE NOT ILLEGAL 

[Captioner] 20:44:20
BUT THEN BE ILLEGAL

[Captioner] 20:44:21
.

[Captioner] 20:44:22
LAST LI --

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>> Mayor Salwan:   THANK YOU 

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MA'AM.

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>> AND IN THE TONE OF YOUR VOICE 

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--

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>> Mayor Salwan:   THANK YOU 

[Captioner] 20:44:28
MA'AM.

[Captioner] 20:44:28
THANK YOU.

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(INAUDIBLE).

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>> Mayor Salwan:   MA'AM, THANK 

[Captioner] 20:44:39
YOU SO MUCH MA'AM.

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OKAY.

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>> HI, THANK YOU, MAYOR, VICE

[Captioner] 20:44:52
 MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS.

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AND VICE MAYOR CAMPBELL, THANK 

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YOU FOR YOUR VOTE AT THE LAST 

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MEETING.

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MY NAME IS (INAUDIBLE) AND I

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 REPRESENT MISSION SAN JOSE 

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DISTRICT 5.

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I'M URGING YOU TO REPEAL THE 

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CAMPING BAN ORDINANCE.

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I BELIEVE WE CAN DO BETTER AND 

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WE'RE HAVING A HOUSING AND 

[Captioner] 20:45:13
HEALTH CRISIS THAT I BELIEVE OUR 

[Captioner] 20:45:17
TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE BETTER PUT 

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TOWARDS HOMELESSNESS AND POVERTY 

[Captioner] 20:45:23
NOT PUNISHING THEM FOR 

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SITUATIONS THAT ANY OF US CAN 

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FIND OURSELVES IN.

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IT TAKES ONLY ONE MEDICAL BILL 

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OR A STRONG STRETCH OF MISHAPS 

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FOR ME TO BE UNHOUSED.

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CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS AND FINES, 

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WE MUST HAVE ADEQUATE SHELTER 

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OPTIONS BEFORE ENFORCEMENT.

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I KNOW IN YOUR HEART OF HEARTS 

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YOU KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S 

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WRONG.

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>> HI, I'M (INAUDIBLE) SO AS 

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LONG AS WE ALL AGREE THAT THE 

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MUNICIPAL CODE 1.15 DO NOT EXIST

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 EXIST, LET'S NOT STRIKE THIS 

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ORDINANCE.

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I DON'T GET WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

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I TRUST ALL YOUR

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 ASSURANCES, IN THE

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 SLEEPING ORDINANCE, SLEEPING 

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BAGS ARE NOT ILLEGAL.

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LET'S PROVE THAT WE'RE RIGHT OR 

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MAYBE THIS FEAR AMONGERING THAT 

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YOU GUYS SAY HAS SOME BASIS IN 

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TRUTH.

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MAYBE THE FACT THAT LAWYERS IN 

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NATIONAL NEWS ARE

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 SPEAKING ABOUT THIS.

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IF THIS WASN'T SCARY AT ALL YOU 

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GUYS WOULDN'T TAKE THE 

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INITIATIVE TO CLARIFY THIS.

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IF THERE WASN'T A PROBLEM WHY 

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CLARIFY IT?

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THIS IS A WAY TO SEEM LIKE IT 

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GOES AWAY WHEN IN REALITY IT 

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WON'T.

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THANK YOU.

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>> The Clerk:   THAT WAS THE 

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LAST SPEAKER.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   OKAY, THANK 

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YOU FOR THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

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WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.

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ANY COMMENTS?

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IF THERE'S NO

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 COMMENT, HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A 

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MOTION.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   

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I'D LIKE A MOTION TO DIRECT 

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STAFF TO BRING BACK AN AMENDMENT 

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TO THE CAMPING ORDINANCE AS SET 

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FORTH IN THIS REFERRAL, YEAH, 

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THAT THIS NEXT -- YES.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COMMISSIONER 

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LIU.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   SO I DO 

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HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS TO 

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MAKE.

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OR AS --

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>> Mayor Salwan:   WE HAVE A 

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MOTION.

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WHY DON'T WE SEE IF THERE'S A 

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SECOND AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF 

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THERE'S DISCUSSION.

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SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KENG.

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WE'LL GO ON TO COMMENTS AND 

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CORNERS.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   OKAY.

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SO I REALLY DON'T SEE THE NEED 

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FOR THIS BECAUSE NOTHING 

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MATERIALLY CHANGES.

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LIKE IT'S BEEN SAID MULTIPLE 

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TIMES, THE CITY DOES NOT AND 

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WILL NOT CRIMINALIZE PASSING OUT 

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FOOD, WATER, MEDICAL SUPPLIES, 

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TO PEOPLE IN NEED.

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IN FACT, WE HAVE OUTREACH 

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EFFORTS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT 

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NOW AND WILL CONTINUE TO 

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HAPPEN.

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SO THE VERY IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, 

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WE WOULD BE CRIMINALIZING OUR 

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VERY OWN OUTREACH EFFORTS, 

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COLORADOING OUR VERY OWN 

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EMPLOYEES IS JUST AN ABSURDITY.

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DOESN'T STACK UP WITH THE 

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REALITY NOR IS IT ACCURATE AT 

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ALL.

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HOWEVER AFTER TALKING WITH MANY 

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PEOPLE I DO SEE WHERE THIS CAN 

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REFERRAL BY COUNCILMEMBER 

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KIMBERLIN CAN COME IN PLACE AND, 

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YOU KNOW, IT'S LEAFING THE

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 ALLEVIATING

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 THE CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO 

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HAVE VOICED CONCERNS OVER THIS 

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ORDINANCE.

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THERE HAS BEEN AN ABSURD AMOUNT 

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OF MISINFORMATION, DELIBERATE 

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LIES AND OUTRIGHT UNTRUTHS THAT 

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ARE SURROUNDING THIS ORDINANCE 

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AND I'M VERY SAD TO SEE THAT 

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HAPPEN BECAUSE IT HAS DRIVEN OUR 

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COMMUNITY POORLT.

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IF PASSING THIS REFERRAL MEANS 

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THAT WE CAN GET SOME PEACE AND 

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PEOPLE CAN HAVE PEACE OF MIND, I 

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THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AT THIS 

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POINT AND THAT'S WHY I'M HEAP TO 

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SUPPORT THIS.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COUNCILMEMBER 

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ZHANG.

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>> Councilmember Zhang:   OKAY 

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SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TOO 

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LATE TO ASK SOMETHING.

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SO I ACTUALLY WANT TO ADD, WELL, 

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OKAY, SO HERE LET ME SEE WHICH 

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PARAGRAPH.

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I THINK IT'S SECTION 8.90.0

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30, CAMPING ET CETERA.

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CAN WE REMOVE OVERNIGHT CAMPING 

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IS LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN THREE

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 CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS?

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THE PREVIOUS SENTENCE IS AS LONG 

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AS THE OWNER CONSENTS.

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I FEEL THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH.

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BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO 

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HELP THEM IN THEIR PRIVATE YARD, 

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AND THAT IS FINE.

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SO IS THAT TOO LATE TO ADD, OR 

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SHOULD WE GET TO THE 

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COUNCILMEMBERS CONSENT TO ADD 

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DOWN THIS?

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>> Mayor Salwan:   LET'S GET 

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CLARITY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.

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>> Councilmember Zhang:   PAGE  

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4.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   THIS 

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IS COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN'S 

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REFERRAL AND SHE'S MADE A MOTION 

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SO AT THIS POINT IN ORDER TO 

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PROPOSE ADDITIONAL REVISIONS, 

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YOU'D HAVE TO ASK COUNCILMEMBER 

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KIMBERLIN TO INCLUDE IT AS PART 

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OF HER MOTION.

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AND THEN IF SHE DOES THE COUNCIL 

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CAN VOTE ON THAT PROPOSAL.

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AND IF THE COUNCIL MAJORITY 

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VOTES IT YEA THEN THE ORDINANCE 

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THAT WE BRING BACK WILL REFLECT 

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THAT.

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TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE 

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REQUESTING IS THAT THE 

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LIMITATION ON PRIVATE 

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RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CAMPING ON 

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PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, 

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THAT THE LANGUAGE BE STRICKEN 

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THAT PROHIBITS CAMPING FOR MORE 

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THAN THREE DAYS.

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>> Councilmember Zhang:   NO 

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MORE THAN THAT YES.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   I 

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WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO 

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ADD THAT TO THE AMENDMENT IF 

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MAYOR SALWAN WOULD AS WELL.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   YOU HAVE A 

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SECOND ON THE MOTION, 

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COUNCILMEMBER KENG.

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>> Councilmember Keng:   YES 

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THAT'S FINE WITH ME TOO.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COUNCILMEMBER 

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KENG I GUESS IS NEXT.

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DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

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>> Councilmember Keng:   I THINK 

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THERE IS A LOT OF  

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MISUNDERSTANDING.

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ALTHOUGH WE SPECIFICALLY  

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DISCUSSED THE DEFINITION OF  

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AIDING AND ABETTING DOESN'T 

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INCLUDE GIVING WATER FOOD 

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BLANKETS AND STUFF TO THE FOLKS 

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THAT NEED THEM, BUT I THINK 

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HOPEFULLY REMOVING THIS CLAUSE 

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WILL HELP CLARIFY THAT.

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AND THAT WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, 

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CONTINUING WITH THE SUPPORT 

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SERVICES FOR THE HOMELESS.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COMMISSIONER 

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LIU.

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SHAO AND THEN CAMPBELL.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   THIS 

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QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY TO 

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COUNCILMEMBER ZHANG.

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CAN YOU REPEAT AGAIN WHAT YOUR 

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PROPOSAL IS, LIKE WHICH SECTION 

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WAS IT?

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>> Councilmember Zhang:   SURE, 

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IT'S ON PAGE NUMBER 4, THERE WAS 

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A TOTAL EIGHT PAGES.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   YES BUT 

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WHICH SECTION?

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>> Councilmember Zhang:   THIS 

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SECTION IS 8.90.0

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90.

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CAMPING PROHIBITED, PROTECTION 

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OF WATERWAYS.

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AND THE FIRST ONE IS A YOU GO TO 

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THE MIDDLE SENTENCE, IT IS THIS 

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SECTION IS NOT INTENDED TO 

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PROHIBIT CAMPING ON PRIVATE 

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RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BY FRIEND 

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AND PEOPLE, ET CETERA.

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BUT IT'S ONLY LIMITED TO THREE 

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DAYS.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   THANK 

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YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   WHAT ABOUT 

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THE OTHER PORTION ABOUT THE 

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WATERWAYS AND ALL THAT, YOU'RE 

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NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, RIGHT?

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>> Councilmember Zhang:   NO.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   JUST 

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THE LAST SENTENCE IN SUBSECTION 

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A OF 8.90.0

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30.

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WHICH I UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   WHAT DOES 

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THAT SAY EXACTLY?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   IT 

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LIMITS THE NUMBER OF DAYS A 

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PERSON WHO OWNS RESIDENTIAL 

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PROPERTY TO CAMP ON THEIR 

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PROPERTY.

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COUNCILMEMBER ZHANG IS ASKING IF 

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THAT LIMITATION CAN BE REMOVED.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   CURRENTLY 

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THERE IS NO LIMIT.

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>> Councilmember Zhang:   I 

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WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE WITH NO 

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LIMIT, THAT IS THEIR PRIVATE 

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PROPERTY.

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SO NO MORE THAN THREE

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 CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   

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CONCEIVABLY SOMEONE COULD CAMP 

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ON THE FRONT YARD FOR ANY AMOUNT 

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OF TIME, IF THAT SECTION IS 

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STRICKEN.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COMMISSIONER 

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LIU.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   I GUESS 

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TO FURTHER CLARIFY WHAT 

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COUNCILMEMBER ZHANG IS PROPOSING 

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IS STRIKE EVERYTHING AFTER THE 

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COMMA, FOR THE SECTION 8.90.30 

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SUBSECTION A ENDING AFTER THE 

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SENTENCE, THE SECTION IS NOTE 

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INCLUDED, IS NOT INTENDED TO 

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PREVENT CAMPING ON PRIVATE 

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DRONES PROPERTY BY FRIENDS OR 

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FAMILY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND 

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THAT'S IT.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   SO 

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LONG AS THE OWNER CONSENTS AND 

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THEN PERIOD.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   ALL 

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RIGHT.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COUNCILMEMBER 

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SHAO.

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>> Councilmember Shao:   LET'S 

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SAY JUST TO REMOVE, IF WE REMOVE 

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THAT LAST PART, BUT DOES THAT 

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REQUIRE THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY TO 

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BE PROPERLY FACILITATED?

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OR JUST ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY

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?

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LFERLD ANY PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL 

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PROPERTY.

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>> Councilmember Shao:   

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RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, OKAY, 

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THAT'S GOOD.

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THAT EXCLUDES ANYTHING IF

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 I'M A PROPERTY OWNER I DECIDE 

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TO VIEW SOME RESIDENTIAL 

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PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE, NOW IT'S 

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AN EMPTY LOT FENCED OFF BY THE 

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FENCES THEN I CAN STILL -- SO IN 

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THAT CASE EXCLUDE THAT 

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POSSIBILITY THAT THE OWNER OF 

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THAT UNDEVELOPED LOT, THAT WOULD 

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GIVE PERMISSION TO FRIENDS, TO 

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CAMP THERE  ENDLESSLY?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   IT 

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SIMPLY SAYS PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL 

[Captioner] 20:55:22
PROPERTY.

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SO IF THE PROPERTY IS 

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RESIDENTIAL, IT'S A DRONES 

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PROPERTY, YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED 

[Captioner] 20:55:30
TO ALLOW FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO 

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CAMP ON THAT PROPERTY.

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>> Councilmember Shao:   

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UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   I THINK IT'S 

[Captioner] 20:55:43
VICE MAYOR CAMPBELL.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   YES, 

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I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE 

[Captioner] 20:55:46
MOTION PLEASE.

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I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT 

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WE PROTECT THOSE WHO ARE  

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PROTECTING THOSE WHO NEED US THE 

[Captioner] 20:55:51
MOST.

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IN TERMS OF OUR NONPROFITS, 

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CHURCHES, AND OTHER  

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ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE  

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SUPPORTING FOLKS THAT ARE  

[Captioner] 20:56:00
UNHOUSED.

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BUT I DO THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE 

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TO ADD TO THIS REFERRAL THAT

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 THE PENALTY WOULD ONLY BE AN  

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INFRACTION, THAT THERE WOULD NOT 

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BE A CONVICTION OF A  

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MISDEMEANOR, THAT WOULD BE 

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PUNISHABLE BY A FINE OF 

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 IMPRISONMENT, $1,000 OR MORE, 

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COURT TIME IN JAIL, I'D LIKE TO 

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MAKE A MOTION THAT WHATEVER THE 

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PENALTIES ARE, IT WOULD BE 

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CONSIDERED AN INFRACTION AND NOT 

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A MISDEMEANOR.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   SORRY, I HAD 

[Captioner] 20:56:37
A CLARIFICATION.

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I THINK THE ATTORNEY MENTIONED 

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THAT -- GO AHEAD.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   SO A 

[Captioner] 20:56:44
SUBSTITUTE MOTION HAS A 

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DIFFERENT EFFECT THAN ASKING TO 

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MOVE -- THE ORIGINAL MOVER TO 

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MAKE AN AMENDMENT OF THEIR 

[Captioner] 20:56:52
ORIGINAL MOTION.

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SO BY PROFFERING A SUBSTITUTE 

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MOTION YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING ANY 

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OF THE REFERRAL LANGUAGE OR ANY 

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OF THE OTHER PROPOSALS.

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YOUR PROPOSAL STANCE ON ITSELF.

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YOU SAY FOR EXAMPLE I HAVE A 

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SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND MY MOTION 

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IS TO SIMPLY REMOVE THE LANGUAGE 

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REGARDING MISDEMEANOR ACCUSATION 

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THAT'S ALL IT WOULD DO.

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IT WOULD NOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING 

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ELSE.

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I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IF YOUR 

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INTENT IS TO ADD ON TO 

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN'S 

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MOTION, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE 

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MOTION WITH SEPARATE LANGUAGE.

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RIGHT NOW, BY THAT SUBSTITUTE 

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MOTION ALL YOU WOULD ACHIEVE IS 

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REMOVING A DISCRETION TO CHARGE 

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A CRIME AS A MISDEMEANOR IF IT 

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VIOLATES THE CAMPING ORDINANCE.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   AND 

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THAT WOULD BE FOR THOSE WHO ARE 

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AIDING AND ABETTING THOSE AS 

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WELL?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   WELL 

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IT'S YOUR MOTION BUT I THINK 

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WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT FOR 

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PURPOSES OF ENFORCEMENT OF THE 

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CAMPING ORDINANCE, THE ONLY 

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CRIMINAL PENALTY THAT YOU WOULD 

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LIKE TO SEE IS AN INTRACTION AND 

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NOT A MISDEMEANOR.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   

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CORRECT.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   AND 

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IT'S YOUR RIGHT TO PROFFER A 

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MOTION BUT IT WOULD NOT INCLUDE 

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THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT THE 

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COUNCILMEMBERS JUST DISCUSSED 

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UNLESS YOU INCORPORATE IT INTO 

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YOUR OWN.

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THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   OKAY, 

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I WOULD BE OPEN -- OH RIGHT.

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I WOULD BE OPEN TO COUNCILMEMBER 

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ZHANG'S PROPOSAL ABOUT THE THREE 

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DAYS.

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I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.

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AND I WOULD BE OPEN TO ENSURING 

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THAT OUR NONPROFITS WERE NOT 

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PENALIZED BY MISDEMEANOR.

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AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT'S 

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SAYING.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   

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OKAY.

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SO THE COUNCIL CAN HANDLE THIS 

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IN ONE OF TWO WAYS.

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I THINK WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING 

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IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A 

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MOTION WITH ALL OF THE ORIGINAL 

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PROPOSALS BUT YOU WOULD LIKE TO 

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ADD LANGUAGE CLARIFYING THAT 

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THIS ORDINANCE CAN ONLY BE 

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ENFORCED AS AN INFRACTION.

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IS THAT CORRECT?

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   

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CORRECT.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   AND 

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IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO DO THAT BY 

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SIMPLY ASKING COUNCILMEMBER 

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KIMBERLIN TO ADD THAT TO HER 

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MOTION RATHER THAN A SUBSTITUTE 

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MOTION.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   ARE 

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YOU OPEN TO DOING THAT?

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THAT WOULD BE A YES.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   

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OKAY.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   OKAY, 

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COMMISSIONER LIU.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   RIGHT, 

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SO MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING 

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WHAT YOUR MOTION WAS EXACTLY 

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VICE MAYOR.

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BUT I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION 

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THAT COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN'S 

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REFERRAL WAS TO STRIKE SECTION  

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8.90.060 SUBSECTION B

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 FURTHER SUBSECTION 1 ENTIRELY, 

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RIGHT?

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SO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING VICE 

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MAYOR LIKE IT'S ALREADY BEEN 

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STRICKEN OUT ISN'T IT OR AM I 

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--

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   LET 

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ME OFFER AN ANSWER TO THAT IF I 

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MAY VICE MAYOR.

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THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO 

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CONTINUE STRIKING THAT IF I 

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UNDERSTAND THE MOTION WHICH 

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MEANS THAT IT COULD STILL BE 

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ENFORCED, BY CHAPTER 1.15 OF THE 

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MUNICIPAL CODE.

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CHAPTER 1.15 OF THE MUNICIPAL 

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CODE SAYS YOU CAN CHARGE A 

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VIOLATION OF A MUNICIPAL CODE AS 

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A MISDEMEANOR, OR AN 

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INFRACTION.

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SO IF YOU STRIKE THE LANGUAGE AS

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 COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN'S 

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REFERRAL INTENDS TO DO, YOU'D 

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ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO ENFORCE 

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THROUGH CHAPTER 1 OWNER 15 AND 

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THAT GIVES YOU AN OPTION TO 

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EITHER DOUGH A MISDEMEANOR OR A 

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VIOLATION.

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WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CAMPBELL IS 

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SAYING SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON 

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TO COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN'S 

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MOTION, THERE WOULD BE NO 

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DISCRETION THAT IN ORDER TO 

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ENFORCE WOULD BE A INFRACTION 

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RATHER THAN A MISDEMEANOR.

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EVEN UNDER CHAPTER 1.15.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   THAT IS 

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SOLELY ENFORCE FOR SUBSECTION  

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B-1 RIGHT?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   OF 

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THE CAMPING ORDINANCE?

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>> Councilmember Liu:   YES.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   IT 

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WOULD MEAN THAT ANY ENFORCEMENT 

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OF THE CAMPING ORDINANCE COULD 

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BE ENFORCED THROUGH AN  

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INFRACTION.

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THE CITY WOULD NO LONGER HAVE 

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THE OPTION IF THAT WERE  

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ACCEPTED, WOULD NO LONGER HAVE 

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THE OPTION TO PROSECUTE A 

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VIOLATION OF THE CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE AS A MISDEMEANOR.

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IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO AN  

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INFRACTION.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   AND TO 

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CLARIFY THAT.

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THE INFRACTION DOES THOUGHT 

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INCLUDE CRIMINALIZATION IF YOU 

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WANT ME TO READ IT TO YOU.

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IT ONLY IS -- IT'S PROGRESSIVE 

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SO IT'S PUNISHABLE BY A FIRST 

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FINE, IF CONVICTED OF $100, A 

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SECOND CONVICTION OF $200 AND 

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THE THIRD OR SUBSEQUENT 

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CONVICTION WITH A POURED OF ONE 

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YEAR OF A FINE AND NOT MORE THAN 

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$500.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   YOU 

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COULD BE CONVICTED OF AN  

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INFRACTION BUT THE PENALTY IS A 

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SMALLER FINE.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   AND NO 

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JAIL TIME.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   

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CORRECT.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   

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CORRECT.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COUNCILMEMBER 

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SHAO.

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>> Councilmember Shao:   JUST A 

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CLARIFICATION POINT.

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SO IF ONLY BY INFRACTION DOES 

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THAT MEAN THAT IT'S LIKE JUST A 

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PARKING TICKET PUT ON THE  

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WINDOW?

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AND KNOWN IT'S UP TO THAT PERSON 

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TO DECIDE WHETHER TO PAY THE 

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FINE OR NOT.

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IF -- LET'S SAY THE FINE'S NEVER 

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PAID, WOULD THAT EVENTUALLY LEAD 

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TO MISDEMEANOR OR IT'S JUST A 

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TICKET LEFT ON THE WINDOW TO BE

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 NEGLECTED?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   AND 

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INFRACTION WOULD ONLY BE  

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ENFORCED VIA THE FINE.

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>> Councilmember Shao:   THANK 

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YOU.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   I'D LIKE TO 

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ASK THE CHIEF TO GIVE US 

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CLARIFICATION OF WHAT THIS  

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MEANS, CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF.

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>> Sean Washington:   ALL RIGHT 

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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY 

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COUNCIL, COMMUNITY, CITY MANAGER 

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AND CITY ATTORNEY.

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AS FAR AS THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE 

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OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, I'LL 

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JUST GIVE YOU WHAT OUR OPTIONS 

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WOULD BE TO ENFORCE.

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SO IF IT IS AN INFRACTION THERE 

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WOULD BE NO ABILITY TO MAKE ANY 

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TYPE OF ARREST.

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IF NEEDED, IN THOSE EXTREME 

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CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE TALKED 

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ABOUT, IF THERE IS A HAZARD OR 

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THERE'S SOME OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY 

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CONCERN, OUR ONLY OPTION WOULD 

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BE SOME SORT OF CITATION OR 

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ASKING FOR COOPERATION IN THOSE 

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CIRCUMSTANCES.

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SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 

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HAVING A MISDEMEANOR AS OPPOSED 

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TO AN INFRACTION AND HOW WE 

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WOULD BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP AND 

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ENFORCE.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   SO DOES THAT 

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MEAN YOU HAVE NOTHING BINDING, 

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THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, 

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THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY?

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>> Sean Washington:   WELL IT'S 

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JUST THE LEVEL OF PENALTY.

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THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY 

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CERTAINLY IN AN INFRACTION.

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BUT THE -- OUR ABILITY TO TAKE 

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IMMEDIATE ACTION IF WE HAD TO, 

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TO GAIN COMPLIANCE, FIRST, 

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BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DID A 

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PHYSICAL ARREST, THAT WOULD GO 

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AWAY, RIGHT?

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IT WOULD JUST BE ONE FORM OF 

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ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE COULD 

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APPLY TO EVERYONE.

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BUT IT WOULD HAVE SOME 

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LIMITATIONS ON OUR ABILITY TO 

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FOLLOW UP WITH MITIGATING THE 

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IMPACT OF THAT PARTICULAR 

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SITUATION.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   SO HOW WILL 

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THAT AFFECT YOUR HANDLING OF THE 

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SITUATION?

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>> Sean Washington:   WELL, AT 

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THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION SO AND, 

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YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT IS 

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DECIDED HERE, WE WOULD STILL GO 

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THROUGH OUR PROCESS AND 

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ASSESSMENT PROCESS.

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WE STILL WOULD TRY TO GET 

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COOPERATION.

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SO THAT EARLY PART WOULD NOT 

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CHANGE.

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OUR TACTICS ARE FOLLOW-UP AND 

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FOLLOW-THROUGH AND WHAT WE'RE 

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TRYING TO ACHIEVE ON THE PUBLIC 

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SAFETY SIDE IS JUST THAT.

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IT'S TO TRY TO GAIN COOPERATION 

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THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT AND 

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CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION.

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SO THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE.

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IT'S JUST WHEN WE DON'T GET THE 

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COOPERATION AND WE'VE ASSESSED 

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THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF PUBLIC 

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SAFETY ISSUE, THAT'S WHEN WE 

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WILL START TO RUN OUT OF  

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OPTIONS.

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>> Mayor Salwan:    MS. 

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SHACKELFORD.

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>> Karena Shackelford:   THERE 

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HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS 

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AND A LOT OF CHANGES BEING 

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OFFERED TO THE EXISTING CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE THAT WAS RECENTLY 

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PASSED.

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I'M GOING TO MERE THAT UP WITH 

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WHAT THE CHIEF JUST SHARED A 

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MOMENT AGO, IN TERMS OF WHAT HIS 

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STAFF WOULD BE ASKED TO DO IN 

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TERMS OF ENFORCING A CAMPING 

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ORDINANCE.

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AND I THINK HE SAID IT VERY WELL 

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WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT HOW AN IN

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 INFRACTION KIND OF LIMITS HIS 

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ABILITY, HIS STAFF'S ABILITY TO 

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ADDRESS SOME OF THE BIGGER 

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ISSUES, THE WORSE PROBLEMS.

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AND I JUST WANT EVERYBODY, THE 

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COUNCIL TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

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WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, DECIDE HOW 

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TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 

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REFERRAL.

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BECAUSE WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE 

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TODAY, OR NOT HAPPEN, THE 

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EXPECTATION IS GOING TO BE ON 

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THE POLICE STAFF TO ENFORCE.

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AND THE LAST THING I WANT FOR 

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THEM TO DO IS BE IN A POSITION 

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WHERE YOUR EXPECTATIONS AREN'T 

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 BEING MET

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 BASED ON THE TOOLS THEY HAVE 

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AVAILABLE TO THEM.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   SO I KIND OF 

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WANTED TO, WE HAVE A LOT OF 

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THINGS THAT CHANGE ALL OF A 

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SUDDEN.

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I WANT TO BE SURE GET A STRAW 

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POLL WHERE WE'RE AT.

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THE FIRST IS REFERRAL ITSELF, IS 

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MAJORITY SUPPORTIVE OF THE 

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REFERRAL?

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RAISE YOUR HAND.

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OKAY.

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SECOND WAS, THE ISSUE ABOUT

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 THE CAMPING IN THE PRIVATE 

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PROPERTY.

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IS EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH 

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THAT?

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OKAY, SO MOST ARE ON BOARD, ONE 

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I GUESS THOUGHT.

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AND KNOWN THE LAST IS THE ISSUE 

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RELATED TO CHANGING TO AN

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  INFRACTION.

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WHERE IS EVERYBODY ON THAT.

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WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT, GO AHEAD 

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   

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DOES THAT LIMIT YOUR ABILITY TO 

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ADDRESS A CRIME IF A CRIME IS 

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HAPPENING?

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>> Sean Washington:   NO, IT 

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DOES NOT.

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IF A CRIME'S HAPPENING, THAT'S 

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NOT THE INTENT OF THIS 

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PARTICULAR ORDER AS I UNDERSTAND 

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IT.

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IT IS WHEN THERE IS A CAMP THAT 

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POSES AN ISSUE THAT WE WANT TO 

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MITIGATE.

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SO ANY CRIME THAT'S BEING -- 

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WE'RE OBSERVING IN OUR PRESENT 

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OUTSIDE OF THIS ORDINANCE WOULD 

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BE TREATED AS WE NORMALLY 

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WOULD.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   

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AND KNOWN WOULD THE FREMONT'S 

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ENCAMPMENT CONDITION GUIDELINES 

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HELP YOU AT ALL?

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>> Sean Washington:   YES, 

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THAT'S KIND OF THE FRAMEWORK IN 

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WHICH WE OPERATE IN BEFORE WE AS 

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I'VE SAID TAKE ANY ACTION TO 

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BEGIN WITH.

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UNLESS THERE IS AN ACUTE PUBLIC 

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SAFETY NEED TO MITIGATE WHAT WE 

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CONSIDER A DANGEROUS ENCAMPMENT, 

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WE WOULD HAVE THOSE GUIDELINES, 

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SEE SEEK COOPERATION AND THOSE 

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KIND OF THINGS PRIOR TO TAKING 

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ANY ACTION.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN WHEN THE 

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RUBBER HITS THE ROAD ON THAT 

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PROPOSED CHANGE, IF THERE IS A 

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CIRCUMSTANCE IN WHICH THE POLICE 

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DEPARTMENT NEEDED TO MOVE 

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SOMEONE FROM AN ENCAMPMENT, AND

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 FINES DO NOT COMPEL THE 

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 BEHAVIOR, THE DEPARTMENT WOULD 

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BE OUT OF AN ENFORCEMENT TOOL.

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IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO 

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ANYTHING OTHER THAN ISSUE MORE 

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FINES.

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SO BECAUSE THE VIOLATION IS THE 

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CAMPING ITSELF, IF THERE'S A 

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CRIME THAT OCCURS, CERTAINLY THE 

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POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE 

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OTHER TOOLS AVAILABLE TO TREAS 

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THE CRIME BUT THE VIOLATION OF 

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THE CAMPING ORDINANCE ITSELF IT 

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WOULD ONLY BE ENFORCEABLE 

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THROUGH AN INFRACTION AND FINES.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   

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CAN I SAY -- SO I JUST DON'T 

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THINK THAT ANYTHING ABOVE THAT 

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IS GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING 

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ANYWAY.

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SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T 

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GO WITH THAT.

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THE FINES PROBABLY AREN'T GOING 

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TO BE PAID.

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ANYTHING ISN'T GOING TO BE PAID, 

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GOING TO JAIL ISN'T GOING TO 

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HELP.

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UNLESS THEY'RE COMMITTING A 

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CRIME.

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A CRIME HEALTH AND SAFETY EVER 

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MY CONCERNS WITH THIS.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COMMISSIONER 

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LIU.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   SO HAVE 

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A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

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I GUESS ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN 

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PARTIALLY ANSWERED, IS CHIEF YOU 

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WERE DESCRIBING, YOU KNOW, THE, 

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I GE THE FLOWCHART OF WHEN YOU 

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GUYS GO OUT THERE AND SO YOU 

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FIRST TRY TO GAIN COMPLIANCE AND 

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HOPEFULLY THEY COOPERATE AND IF 

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THOUGH DON'T COOPERATE BEFORE 

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THIS ORDINANCE IF THAT WERE TO 

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HAPPEN YOU COULD ONLY ISSUE AN 

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INFRACTION NOW INSTEAD OF A  

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MISDEMEANOR AND AN INFRACTION 

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WOULD ONLY BE A FINE, RIGHT?

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AND THERE IS NOTION BEYOND AN 

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INFRACTION THAT YOU GUYS CAN 

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DO?

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>> Sean Washington:   IF IT'S AN 

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INTRACTION IT IS LIKE A TRAFFIC 

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CITATION RIGHT.

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IN THE VEHICLE CODE THERE IS 

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TRAFFIC CITATIONS AND IF THERE 

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IS DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR, DRIVING

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, THAT'S TO PREVENT DANGEROUS 

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DRIVING FROM IMPACTING THE 

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COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

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VERSUS IF YOU JUST RUN A STOP 

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SIGN THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED A 

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MISDEMEANOR, THAT'S AN  

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INFRACTION.

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IF YOU ARE CONSTANTLY RUNNING 

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STOP SIGNS AND STOP LIGHTS AND 

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THAT SORT OF THING THERE IS A 

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DANGER TO THE PUBLIC WHICH MEANS 

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THAT IS AN ELEVATED MISDEMEANOR 

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WHICH ALLOWS US ANOTHER TOOL TO 

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PROTECT THE COMMUNITY.

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AGAIN HOW WE DEAL WITH THESE 

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ENCAMPMENTS RIGHT NOW, THOG WILL 

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CHANGE ON THE FRONT END.

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I'VE SAID THAT MANY TIMES THAT 

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WE ALREADY HAVE A SIMILAR 

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ORDINANCE, IN OUR PARKS, AND 

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WE'VE DONE RESEARCH AND THERE 

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HAS NOT BEEN AN ARREST.

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BECAUSE WE USUALLY GET 

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COOPERATION.

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HOWEVER, IF WE ONLY HAD THE TOOL 

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OF AN INFRACTION THEN YES.

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IF WE DIDN'T GET COOPERATION WE 

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WOULD JUST ISSUE MORE 

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CITATIONS.

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AND THAT WOULD BE IT.

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THAT WOULD BE THE OWNED OF IT.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   RIGHT SO 

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YEAH H YEAH I ACTUALLY DO RECALL 

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YOU MENTIONING THAT LAST TIME.

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AND MOST OF THE TIMES FOR OUR 

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PARKS WHEN YOU GUYS GET CALLED 

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OUT YOU DO OBTAIN COMPLIANCE.

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MY SECOND QUESTION IS YOU 

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MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THERE 

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BEING LIMITATIONS ABOUT ISSUING 

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 INFRACTION

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S, WHAT LIMITATIONS ARE THERE 

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FOR INFRACTIONS ONLY?

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>> Sean Washington:   YES, AND 

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THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN PROBABLY 

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WEIGH IN AS WELL.

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BUT AN INTRACTION IS ESSENTIALLY

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 THERE ARE NO -- WE CANNOT

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 PHYSICALLY REMOVE SOMEONE FROM 

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A SITUATION.

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IF THERE IS AN INFRACTION,  

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RIGHT?

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IT IS JUST A FINE OR CITATION OR 

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

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AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M SAYING 

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THAT THERE IS INTRACTIONS, OR 

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ABILITY TO WRITE CITATIONS AND 

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THEN THERE IS OUR ABILITY IF IN 

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THE EXTREME SITUATIONS WHERE WE 

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THINK THERE IS A PUBLIC SAFETY 

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RISK OR WE'RE NOT GETTING 

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COOPERATION AND THOSE TWO THINGS 

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MARRY UP, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE 

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ABILITY TO MAKE A PHYSICAL 

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ARREST AND REMOVE THE PERSON 

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FROM THE SITUATION THAT'S 

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CAUSING THE SAFETY HAZARD.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   ALL 

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RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 

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CHIEF.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COUNCILMEMBER 

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SHAO.

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>> Councilmember Shao:   OH, 

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THANK YOU MAYOR.

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THIS QUESTION IS FOR

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 -- YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   JUST BE 

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PATIENT.

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>> Councilmember Shao:   THIS 

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QUESTION IS FOR CHIEF  

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WASHINGTON.

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IS OUR CITATION PAPER SOFT 

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ENOUGH SO THAT THEY CAN USE AS 

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TOILET PAPER?

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I WITHDRAW THAT QUESTION.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COUNCILMEMBER 

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ZHANG.

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>> Councilmember Zhang:   HELLO, 

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YES, GOOD.

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I THINK THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF 

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THIS ORDINANCE IS TO GIVE THE 

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POLICE -- POLICEMEN A TOOL SO 

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THEY CAN ADDRESS THE DANGEROUS 

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SITUATION IMMEDIATELY AND THE 

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URGENT SITUATION IMMEDIATELY.

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SO IF WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE 

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THIS INTO ANNAL INFRACTION THAT 

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JUST LOSE THE PURPOSE.

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SO WITHOUT ANY CHANGE OF OUR 

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COMPASSION, AND I WOULD THOUGHT 

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LIKE TO INCLUDE THE INFRACTION.

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I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE POLICE 

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OFFICER THE TOOLS FOR THEM TO 

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DECIDE AND TO ADDRESS IMMEDIATE 

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URGENT SITUATION AND WITH FORCE 

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AND PRECISION.

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SO JUST WANT TO STATE THAT.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   OKAY, 

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COUNCILMEMBER KENG THEN VICE 

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MAYOR CAMPBELL.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   I H 

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MAYOR I HAVE BEEN WAITING BEFORE 

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ALL OF THESE, I HAD MY HAND 

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RAISED FOR A LONG TIME.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   COUNCILMEMBER 

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KENG AND THEN --

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>> Councilmember Keng:   

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QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF, YOU SAID 

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99% OF THE TIME YOU GUYS VISIT 

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ANY SITE FOR ISSUES, WHEN YOU 

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ASK FOR COOPERATION, YOU WERE 

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ABLE TO GET THAT COOPERATION 99% 

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OF THE TIME AND DIDN'T HAVE TO 

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HAVE AN ARREST, IS THAT 

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CORRECT?

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>> Sean Washington:   I DON'T 

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THINK IT WAS 99 BUT IT WAS IN 

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THE 90s PER MY STAFF.

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AND THAT'S A COMBINATION OF A 

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FEW THINGS.

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A, I HAVE A VERY SKILLED STAFF 

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THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE 

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TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

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ALSO, OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH HUMAN 

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SERVICES HAS ENHANCED THOSE 

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SKILLS.

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TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING 

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OF WHAT MIGHT BE NEEDED TO 

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MITIGATE THE SITUATION.

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SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE HIGH 

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90s, MID 90s IN WHICH WE GET 

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COOPERATION BECAUSE WE 

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UNDERSTAND THAT THE MISSION AND 

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OBJECTIVE IS NOT ENFORCEMENT.

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IT IS TO GET COOPERATION WHEN WE 

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THINK THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT.

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>> Councilmember Keng:   OKAY.

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AND THEN I DON'T KNOW, HAVEN'T 

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SEEN, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY THE 

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LAWSUITS THAT THE PUBLIC 

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COMMENTS WERE SAYING.

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BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, YOU 

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KNOW, IF WE ARE CRIMINALIZING 

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THE LIKE CAMPERS COULD, CHANGING 

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THIS KIND OF LIKE DEGRADING THE 

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FINES OR, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGING 

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IT FROM A MISDEMEANOR TO AN  

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INFRACTION, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT 

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WOULD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE NOW 

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THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THE 

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POSSIBILITY OF FACING A LAWSUIT, 

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IF WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO 

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WASTE ANY OF OUR PRECIOUS TAX 

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DOLLARS TO ON THAT.

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>> Sean Washington:   I'M GOING 

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TO DEFER ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO 

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WITH A LEGAL OPINION TO OUR CITY 

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ATTORNEY REGARDING THAT.

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THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF MY 

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POSITION.

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>> Councilmember Keng:   SURE.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   A FEW 

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COMMENTS.

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CITY STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE 

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ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY 

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THE COUNCIL IS LEGALLY  

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DEFENSIBLE AND ANY CHANGES THAT 

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YOU ARE PROPOSING THIS EVENING 

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ARE ALSO LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE.

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SECOND WE DON'T HAVE AN OPINION 

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ON THE LAWSUIT.

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I THINK IT WAS JUST PROVIDED TO 

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US THIS AFTERNOON.

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AND WE DON'T COMMENT ON PENDING 

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LITIGATION.

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SO NO COMMENT ON THE LAWSUIT.

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BUT CERTAINLY WE BELIEVE THAT 

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THIS ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED 

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AND ANY ORDINANCE TO BE ADOPTED 

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IS WITHIN THE CITY'S GENERAL 

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POLICE POWERS TO REGULATE, TO

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 CREATE LAWS THAT REGULATE FOR 

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PURPOSES OF HEALTH AND SAFETY.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   THANK YOU.

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VICE MAYOR CAMPBELL.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   THANK 

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YOU.

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CHIEF WASHINGTON, I HAVE A QUICK 

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QUESTION FOR YOU.

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YOU SAID AT THE LAST MEETING 

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THAT NO ONE WAS GOING TO BE 

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ARRESTED.

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SO IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOUR 

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POLICE WILL GAIN COOPERATION 90% 

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OF THE TIME, AND YOU HAVE ALSO 

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STATED THAT NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN 

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ARRESTED FOR A VIOLATION OF THE

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 CAMP -- CAMPING BAN, NOT THE 

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CAMPING BAN BECAUSE WE HAVE 

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ANOTHER MUNICIPAL CODE, NUMBER  

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602.1.602, NO CAMPING IN PARKS

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, WITH THE --

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 PUNISHABLE BY SOME OTHER MEANS 

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OF PUNISHMENT WHICH INCLUDES 

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FINES AND IMPRISONMENT AND THAT 

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MUNICIPAL CODE HAS THOUGHT BEEN 

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HONORED BECAUSE NOBODY HAS EVER 

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BEEN ARRESTED, NO ONE'S GOING TO 

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GET ARRESTED.

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AND THE CURRENT MUNICIPAL CODE 

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IS NOT BEING FOLLOWED.

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THEN WHY WOULDN'T IT BE OKAY TO 

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MAKE THIS AN INFRACTION?

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>> Sean Washington:   YES, JUST 

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A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

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I DON'T REMEMBER SAYING THAT NO 

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ONE WOULD BE ARRESTED.

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I THINK I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT 

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IT'S NOT OUR OBJECTIVE TO MAKE 

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ANY ARREST.

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PART OF THE COMPLIANCE THAT WE 

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ARE ABLE TO GET WHEN WE DO HAVE 

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SOMETHING LIKE A MISDEMEANOR IS 

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THAT SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WE 

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COME INTO CONTACT WITH 

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UNDERSTAND AND WANT TO AVOID 

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THAT SO THEY WANT TO COOPERATE 

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IN ORDER TO AVOID THAT 

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PARTICULAR SITUATION.

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THERE CERTAINLY COULD BE 

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SITUATIONS WHERE EVEN THAT IS 

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NOT A DETERRENT OR MOTIVATION 

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FOR SOMEONE TO ASSIST US WITH 

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MITIGATING A DANGEROUS SITUATION 

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AS WE PERCEIVE IT.

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SO THAT, THERE MY PROFESSIONAL 

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OPINION, COULD BE ONE OF THE 

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BENEFITS OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, 

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THE OPTION AS THE CODE CURRENTLY 

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EXISTS, TO GIVE -- TO GO  

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INFRACTION, MISDPEERN, AND HAVE 

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THAT DISCRETION BASED ON THE 

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CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE'RE FACED 

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WITH.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   SO YOU 

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COULD START WITH AN INFRACTION 

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AND THEN GO TO A MISDEMEANOR IF 

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YOU DIDN'T GAIN COOPERATION, IS 

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THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION HERE, 

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IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING?

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>> Sean Washington:   WE WOULD 

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ALWAYS START JUST LIKE WE DO  

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NOW, WE DO NOT NECESSARILY GO TO 

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AN ENFORCEMENT ACTION.

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HOWEVER THERE COULD BE OCCASIONS 

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WHERE THE SITUATION IS SO 

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IMMEDIATE, AND WE NEED TO GET 

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IMMEDIATE COOPERATION, OR THERE 

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IS RESISTANCE OR THERE IS SOME 

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OTHER FACTOR THAT IN THE BEST 

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INTERESTS OF COMMUNITY SAFETY WE 

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WOULD HAVE TO ACT FASTER AND GO 

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TO A HIGHER LEVEL.

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BUT THOSE SITUATIONS ONCE AGAIN 

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ARE VERY EXTREMELY RARE AND 

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WOULD BE DOCUMENTED AND  

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ACCOUNTED TORSO THAT IF NEED BE 

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WE CAN EXPLAIN THE ACTIONS THAT 

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WE TOOK TO THE COMMUNITY.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   OKAY, 

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SO GIVEN THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS 

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CURRENT CAMPING ORDINANCE, WHAT 

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ARE YOU DOING NOW IN THOSE 

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SITUATIONS?

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>> Sean Washington:   IN A LOT 

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OF CASES NOTHING.

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WE ARE, AND THAT'S CREATING A 

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LOT OF FRUSTRATION WITHIN OUR 

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COMMUNITY.

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BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIMITED 

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ABILITY TO MITIGATE SOME OF 

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THESE ISSUES.

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BUT AGAIN I HAVE A VERY SKILLED 

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STAFF.

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WE WORK CLOSELY WITH HUMAN 

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SERVICES AND WE'RE ABLE TO GAIN 

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A LOT OF COOPERATION

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 THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE SKILLS 

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THAT THE STAFF HAS.

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BUT THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHERE WE 

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SORT OF RUN UP AGAINST A WALL 

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AND DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS 

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TO HELP BRING SOME BALANCE TO 

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THE COMMUNITY.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   THANK 

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YOU.

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THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE CITY

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 ATTORNEY.

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CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND 

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FREMONT MUNICIPAL CODE 602.1.602 

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AND I THINK IT'S 9.5.080?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   I CAN 

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CERTAINLY LOOK THOSE UP IF YOU 

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GIVE ME A SECOND.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   OKAY.

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BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THOSE TWO 

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CODES OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY 

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TO DO ARRESTS.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   WHICH 

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SECTION, VICE MAYOR?

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   LET ME 

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GET IT.

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IT'S -- OKAY, YEAH IT SAYS 

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VIOLATORS WILL BE SHIETED OR 

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ARRESTED.

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SECTION 602.1, 602 M,

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 AND SIX 02 O AND THEN IT

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 SAYS 9.50.HOE 8 A

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 AND B OF THE FREMONT MUNICIPAL 

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CODE NO TRESPASSING OR LOITERING 

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IN THE -- THIS WAS OVER AT ONE 

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OF THE CAMPS, THAT PROVIDES FOR

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, IF THERE'S VIOLATIONS OF THIS 

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CAMPING THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE 

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TO BE ARRESTED.

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SO I'M NOT TRYING TO BE  

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DEFENSIVE HERE.

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I MEAN I'M JUST TRYING TO -- I 

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HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND.

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I JUST DON'T WANT FOLKS WHO ARE 

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UNHOUSED WHO ARE ALREADY GOING 

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THROUGH TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE AND 

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WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH TRAUMATIC 

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EXPERIENCES, WE'VE SEEN THEM 

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COME DOWN HERE TIME AFTER TIME 

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AFTER TIME SAYING THAT THEY'RE 

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-- THEY JUST NEED HELP BUT YET 

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THERE ARE SOME BAD ACTORS OUT 

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THERE.

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THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE 

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DOING SOME REALLY DANGEROUS AND 

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LIVING IN SOME HORRID 

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CONDITIONS, AND I WANT TO SEE 

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THAT CLEANED UP.

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I WANT TO SEE PEOPLE OFF THE 

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STREET, OUT OF THE CAMPS, OUT OF 

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THE ENCAMPMENTS, AND I WANT TO 

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FIGURE OUT A WAY IN WHICH WE 

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COULD DO IT IN THE MOST CIVIL 

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AND COMPASSIONATE WAY POSSIBLE.

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I'M NOT AGAINST PUTTING PEOPLE 

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WHO ARE CRIMINALS IN JAIL.

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BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS 

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IS THE WAY IN WHICH WE SHOULD DO 

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IT.

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ON THE BACKS OF OTHER 

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ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE TRYING TO 

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HELP THEM AS WELL.

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SO I'M JUST HAVING A PROBLEM 

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WITH THAT.

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YOU KNOW, THIS IS A 

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PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION FOR 

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ME TO GET TO A SOLUTION THAT

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 MAKES THE FOLKS WHO ARE HELPING 

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THEM AND THE FOLKS WHO ARE 

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LIVING IN THESE CONDITIONS FEEL

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 SEEN AND NOT INVISIBLE.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   

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CHAPTER 9.50 ADDRESSES A NUMBER 

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OF MISCELLANEOUS CRIMES AND I 

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DON'T SEE CAMPING ADDRESSED IN 

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THAT CHAPTER.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   SO I 

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THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE 

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ABLE TO DO THAT.

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IF YOU DO HAVE SOME BAD ACTORS.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   THE CITY 

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ATTORNEY IS SAYING NO, HE 

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DOESN'T --

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   WHAT 

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I AM SAYING IS THAT CHAPTER 9.50 

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DOES NOT ADDRESS CAMPING ON 

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PUBLIC PROPERTY.

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THERE ARE PROVISIONS RELATED TO 

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TRESPASS.

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IS THERE A SUBSECTION, 9.50

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.0 --

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   I SAID 

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602.1.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   REST 

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START WITH CHAPTER 9.5, LET'S GO 

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THROUGH IT ONE BY ONE.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   9.50, 

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RIGHT ON YOUR OWN SIGNS THAT WAS 

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PUT UP, I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT, 

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9.50.080 A AND B,

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 FREMONT MUNICIPAL CODE.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   9.5.0 

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EIGHT 0 SUB--

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   TWO 

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ZEROS.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   

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 9.50.0 EIGHT 0.

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THAT CONCERNS TRESPASS UPON 

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PRIVATE PROPERTY.

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NO PERSON SHALL REMAIN ON ANY 

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PRIVATE PROPERTY OR BUSINESS 

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PREMISES AFTER BEING NOTIFIED BY 

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THE OWNER OR LESSEE OR OTHER 

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PERSON IN CHARGE THEREOF TO 

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REMOVE THERE FROM.

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SO IT DOESN'T ADDRESS CAMPING.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   IT IS 

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ON YOUR SIGN, I'M JUST SAYING.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   ON OUR SIGN.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   ON OUR 

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SIGN AND IT HAS AN ORDINANCE -- 

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AND THEN IT SAYS CITED OR  

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REEFTED SECTION 602.1,

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.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   THAT 

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MIGHT BE AN OUTDATED SIGN 

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BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A 

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602.1.

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MIGHT BE A PENAL CODE SECTION IT 

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IS REFERRING TO.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   IT 

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SAYS TRESPASSING OR LOITERING, 

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FREMONT MUNICIPAL CODE 

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1.20.600.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   WE'RE GETTING 

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TO THE LEGAL STUFF HERE.

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CAN WE TAKE A LITTLE BREAK VICE 

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MAYOR GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK?

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   I CAN 

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SAY WITH CONFIDENCE,  

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RESPECTFULLY NONE OF THOSE 

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PROVISIONS ADDRESS CAMPING ON 

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PUBLIC PROPERTY.

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AND REGARDING THE ENFORCEMENT 

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PROVISIONS TITLE 1 IS REALLY THE 

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SECTION THAT YOU'VE RIGHTFULLY 

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IDENTIFIED AS APPLICABLE AND 

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WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN 

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THE MOTION IF YOU WERE TO DESIRE 

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TO ARTICULATE THAT IT'S  

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ENFORCEABLE AS AN INFRACTION 

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ONLY.

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SO YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK ON 

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THE FIRST TIME IS THE POINT.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   OKAY, THANK 

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YOU.

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I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN HERE.

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SO I'M OKAY WITH THE REFERRAL.

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I'M ALSO OKAY WITH CAMPING

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 ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ALTHOUGH I 

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AM CONCERNED IF SOMEBODY PUTS A 

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BIG TENT IN FRONT OF THE LAWN 

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BUT I GUESS THAT IS SOMETHING WE 

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CAN GO THROUGH.

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I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT THE MAKING 

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IT INFRACTION AND REMOVING  

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MISDEMEANOR PROVISION BECAUSE 

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THE POLICE CHIEF WE DO WANT TO 

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GIVE HIM SOME TOOLS.

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OTHERWISE, WE'RE NOT REALLY 

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MOVING THE BALL FORWARD.

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WE VOTED 6 TO 1 ON THIS OWNERS 

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AND WE ARE DOING A GOOD THING 

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HERE BY CLARIFYING OUR INTENT.

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WE'VE SAID IT AT LEAST 20 

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TIMES.

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WE HAVE ALSO PUT IT IN OUR 

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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.

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WE ARE, AGAIN, REMOVING THAT 

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PROVISION THAT AIDING AN  

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ABETTING.

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SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A MOTION 

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WHICH WILL PASS WHERE THE 

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MAJORITY IS.

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SO AT THIS POINT I'M TRYING TO 

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FIGURE OUT WHAT THE MAJORITY OF 

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THE COUNCIL WANTS AND IF WE 

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COULD WEIGH IN ON THAT 

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SPECIFICALLY KNOWN WE CAN TRY TO 

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FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS 

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MOTION IS GOING TO LAND.

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SO THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO 

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SEE.

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AND IF GOING FORWARD IF WE CAN 

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FOCUS ON HOW WE CAN GET 

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SOMETHING DONE HERE.

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THANK YOU.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   

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WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SEE IF 

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THE MOTION WOULD FLY AS IT IS 

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WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS 

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PIECE?

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>> Mayor Salwan:   WE STILL GOT 

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A COUPLE MORE SPEAKERS.

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COMMISSIONER LIU.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   EXCUSE 

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ME, SO BASED ON ACTUALLY WHAT 

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THE MAYOR JUST SAID, I WANT TO 

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ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY THIS, 

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BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE 

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THREE SEPARATE THINGS RIGHT NOW 

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BEING ADDRESSED THAT IS DOING 

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THREE SEPARATE EDITS, THAT ARE 

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BEING DISCUSSED HERE AND THEY 

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ARE ALL SEEMINGLY CRAMMED INTO 

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ONE REFERRAL.

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IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN SPLIT 

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THOSE THREE UP?

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LIKE -- YEAH.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   IN 

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THEORY YOU CAN SPLIT IT UP IN 

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THE SENSE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO 

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PROPOSE ALL OF THE REVISIONS 

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TODAY, AND COULD CERTAINLY COME 

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BACK TO REVISIONS IN THE 

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FUTURE.

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BUT IN PRACTICAL TERMS IT WOULD 

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BE GOOD FOR PURPOSES OF 

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CERTAINTY, TO PROVIDE CLEAR 

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DIRECTION TO STAFF ABOUT WHERE 

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YOU WANT TO BE LEGISLATIVELY.

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BECAUSE WHEN WE COME BACK WE 

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WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CRAFT AN 

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ORDINANCE THAT ACHIEVES WHATEVER 

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OAIVET THE COUNCIL DECIDES ON AS 

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A BODY THIS EVENING.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   I GUESS 

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MY QUESTION WAS RATHER THAN 

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VOTING FOR THE REFERRAL, ONE 

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TIME, FOR ALL THREE ITEMS, CAN 

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WE VOTE THREE SEPARATE TIMES FOR 

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EACH ITEM SEPARATELY?

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>> Mayor Salwan:   SO EACH WOULD 

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BE VOTED SEPARATELY, THAT'S WHAT 

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YOU'RE ASKING?

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>> Councilmember Liu:   YES.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   WHAT 

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I WOULD RECOMMEND IS YOU TAKE A 

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POLL ON EACH ITEM AND KNOWN WORK 

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A MOTION BASED ON THAT POLL.

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   WE DID 

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THAT ALREADY.

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   NOT 

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ON THE THIRD ITEM.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   WHY DON'T WE 

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RAISE OUR HANDS.

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WHO WANTS TO REMOVE THE  

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MISDEMEANOR PROVISION AND LEAVE 

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IT JUST AN INFRACTION, RAISE 

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YOUR HAND.

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OKAY.

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AND WHO WANTS TO LEAVE THAT?

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LEAVE AS-IS.

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SO IF WE CAN MAKE A MOTION BASED 

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ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE

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 --

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   

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SURE, COULD I MAKE A COMMENT 

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BEFORE WE DO THAT?

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>> Mayor Salwan:   SURE, YEP.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   

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THE REASON THIS WHOLE THING CAME 

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ABOUT, THIS ORDINANCE WAS TALKED 

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ABOUT BY A PREVIOUS COUNCIL AND 

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IT WAS ALSO TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE 

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OF THE LEGISLATION THAT WON'T 

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THROUGH.

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AND IT WAS SO THAT PEOPLE COULD 

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BE MOVED IF THEY WERE CAUSING 

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PROBLEMS EVEN IF THERE WASN'T AN 

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ALTERNATIVE OR A SHELTER PLACE 

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FOR THEM.

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AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE 

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HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS 

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TONIGHT ABOUT THE WORK BEING 

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DONE OR THE WORK NOT BEING 

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DONE.

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AND A LOT OF WORK IS GOING ON 

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BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO 

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MAINTAIN THE BEDS THAT WE HAVE.

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WE CAN'T LOSE THE BEDS WE HAVE.

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WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO MAINTAIN I 

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BELIEVE IT IS 110 BEDS.

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WE HAVE A HOMELESS RESPONSE PLAN 

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THAT IS A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC 

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PLAN, ONCE WE ARE DONE WITH THAT 

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I THINK WE COULD BE WORKING A 

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LITTLE MORE WORKING FOR A LITTLE 

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MORE FUNDING WORKING WITH THE 

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COUNTY BUT WE HAVE GOT TO GET 

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PAST THIS AND KNOWN WE HAVE TIME 

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TO DO THAT WORK.

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SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD 

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LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION

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 TO --

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   YOU 

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ALREADY HAVE A MOTION ON THE 

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FLOOR.

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DO YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW THE 

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MOTION?

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   I 

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GUESS I SHOULD WITHDRAW --

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>> Cty. Attny. Alvarado:   YOU 

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DON'T NEED TO WITHDRAW THAT 

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MOTION, YOU NEED TO CLARIFY, I 

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THINK WE WOULD ASK COUNCILMEMBER 

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KENG TO RESPOND.

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>> Councilmember Kimberlin:   TO 

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BRING BACK AN AMENDMENT TO THE 

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CAMPING ORDINANCE AS SET FORTH 

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IN THIS REFERRAL AND STRIKE THE 

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UNLIMITED CAMPING NOT LIMITED 

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AND NOT LIMITED TO THREE DAYS ON 

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PRIVATE RESIDENCE.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   IS THERE A 

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SECOND?

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COUNCILMEMBER KENG SECOND.

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ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR ARE 

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PEOPLE READY TO VOTE?

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OKAY, COMMISSIONER LIU AND 

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COUNCILMEMBER ZHANG.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   RIGHT SO 

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JUST TO CLARIFY, TO MAKE SURE 

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WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE VOTING ON.

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SO WE'RE VOTING ON YOUR ORIGINAL 

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REFERRAL AND WHAT COUNCILMEMBER 

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ZHANG INCLUDED WHICH WAS JUST 

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STRIKING THE 72 HOUR TIME

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 LIMIT FOR PEOPLE CAMPING WITH 

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THE OWNER'S PERMISSION ON 

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PRIVATE PROPERTY, CORRECT?

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>> Vice Mayor Campbell:   

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RESIDENTIAL.

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>> Councilmember Liu:   

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RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

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ALL RIGHT.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   MOVED BY 

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COUNCILMEMBER KIMBERLIN, 

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SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KENG.

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PLEASE VOTE.

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SIX AYES, ONE ANYWAY, VICE MAYOR 

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CAMPBELL.

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 NAY,

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 VICE MAYOR CAMPBELL.

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MOTION PASSES.

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THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, THANK 

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YOU CHIEF, APPRECIATE  

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EVERYBODY'S TEED BACK.

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NEXT WE HAVE A REFERRAL, SOAFNB 

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APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND 

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COMMISSIONS, COULD I GET A 

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MOTION?

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>> Councilmember Keng:   SO 

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MOVED.

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>> Mayor Salwan:   MOVED BY 

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COUNCILMEMBER KENG, SECONDED BY 

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SMOOS, PLEASE VOTE.

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MOTION PASSES, 7-0 UNANIMOUS.

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NEXT WE HAVE COMMITTEE 

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ASSIGNMENTS, ANY REPORTS ON 

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COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS?

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YES, COUNCILMEMBER SHAO.

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I'M NOT SEEING MY CUE HERE.

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THANK YOU.

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COUNCILMEMBER SHAO.

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>> Councilmember Shao:   THANK 

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YOU MAYOR.

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I'M GLAD TO REPORT THAT OVER 200 

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SCHOOL ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE 

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RIGHT NOW COLLABORATING WITH 

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ALAMEDA COUNTY WASTE MANAGEMENT, 

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ALSO KNOWN AS STOP WASTE, ON 

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REDUCING THE

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 GARBAGE AND MITIGATING THE 

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WASTE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND 

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PROMOTING NEW MATERIALS AND NEW 

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TECHNOLOGIES TO REDUCE SUCH 

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WASTE.

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AND THAT OF COURSE DOESN'T ONLY 

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LIMIT TO THE FREMONT UNIFIED 

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SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH HAS BEEN 

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WINNING AWARDS YEAR AFTER YEAR 

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AFTER YEAR.