[Captioner] 19:00:39 . >> Commissioner Rao: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE [Captioner] 19:00:43 FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR [Captioner] 19:00:47 WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, [Captioner] 19:00:50 INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY [Captioner] 19:00:54 AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. [Captioner] 19:01:00 >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW, JOEL [Captioner] 19:01:03 , OUR PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY, [Captioner] 19:01:06 JOEL PULLEN, WILL YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE [Captioner] 19:01:10 PROTOCOL, INTRODUCE STAFF, AND TAKE THE [Captioner] 19:01:13 ROLL CALL FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. [Captioner] 19:01:16 >> Planner Pullen: YES CHAIR THANKS. SO THANK YOU [Captioner] 19:01:19 CHAIR DAULTON. THIS MEETING IS [Captioner] 19:01:23 BEING CONDUCTED VIRTUAL [Captioner] 19:01:26 , DURING THE DECLARED PANDEMIC EMERGENCY, AND THE LIVE STREAM [Captioner] 19:01:31 OF THE MEETING WILL BE ON COMCAST [Captioner] 19:01:34 CHANNEL 27 AND THE CITY'S WEBSITE. [Captioner] 19:01:39 FREMONT.GOV OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION LINK. OUR PROTOCOL [Captioner] 19:01:44 ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO BE UNMUTED TO SPEAK USING [Captioner] 19:01:47 THE RAISE HAND FEATURE. THE [Captioner] 19:01:50 RECORDING CLERK WILL [Captioner] 19:01:54 RECOGNIZE SPEAKERS DURING THE [Captioner] 19:01:57 SPEAKER OPPORTUNITY. STARTING WITH COMMISSION ROLL CALL [Captioner] 19:02:00 , WHEN YOU HEAR YOUR [Captioner] 19:02:05 NAME PLEASE RESPOND. CHAIR DAULTON. HERE. [Captioner] 19:02:08 VICE CHAIR RAO. HERE. [Captioner] 19:02:14 HERE.COMMISSIONER YEE. HERE. [Captioner] 19:02:17 COMMISSIONER STECKLER. [Captioner] 19:02:21 PRESENT. [Captioner] 19:02:27 COMMISSIONER LIU. [Captioner] 19:02:32 COMMISSIONER ZHANG. I'M HERE. COMMISSIONER BASRAI. HERE. [Captioner] 19:02:37 RECORDING CLERKS ARE MARIA SALINAS AND TRISH CORDOVA. [Captioner] 19:02:42 SENIOR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY HEATHER LEE. [Captioner] 19:02:47 THE APPLICANTS FOR THE [Captioner] 19:02:50 PLANNING COMMISSION ARE ALSO ON THE CALL [Captioner] 19:02:54 TO FACILITATE FEEDBACK [Captioner] 19:02:58 . PLEASE MUTE YOUR LINE WHEN YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING [Captioner] 19:03:02 . ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING [Captioner] 19:03:06 . FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE ON THE PHONE WHO DO NOT RECOGNIZE [Captioner] 19:03:09 YOUR VOICE. [Captioner] 19:03:14 FOR ALL THOSE ON THE CALL TURN OFF YOUR AUDIO AND VIDEO UNTIL YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING [Captioner] 19:03:16 IS CLOSED PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR AUDIO AND VIDEO. PLEASE ASK TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR [Captioner] 19:03:20 WHEN SPEAKING, WHEN ASKING QUESTIONS OR DELIBERATING. [Captioner] 19:03:23 AND WITH THAT, CHAIR DAULTON, BACK TO YOU. [Captioner] 19:03:28 >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU JOEL. [Captioner] 19:03:31 LET'S MOVE ON TO DISCLOSURES AT THIS TIME. VICE [Captioner] 19:03:34 CHAIR RAO DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES [Captioner] 19:03:37 ? >> Commissioner Rao: NO DISCLOSURES, THANK YOU. [Captioner] 19:03:40 >> Commissioner Daulton: COMMISSIONER STECKLER ANY DISCLOSURES [Captioner] 19:03:44 ? >> Commissioner Steckler: I VISITED BOTH THE SITES. [Captioner] 19:03:51 >> Commissioner Daulton: COMMISSIONER ZHANG, PLEASE. [Captioner] 19:03:56 YONGGANG I VISITED [Captioner] 19:03:59 THE SITE FOR [Captioner] 19:04:02 THE AT&T POLLS, THAT'S IT. [Captioner] 19:04:08 >> Commissioner Daulton: COMMISSIONER YEE. >> Commissioner Yee: I WENT [Captioner] 19:04:11 TO THE PAPE SITE, I RECEIVED ANNAL E-MAIL FROM THE [Captioner] 19:04:16 CORPORATE MANAGER, DIDN'T HAVE A TIME TO RESPOND TO THAT E-MAIL. I [Captioner] 19:04:19 WEPT TO THE AT&T SITE AND ALSO WENT TO THE CENTERVILLE [Captioner] 19:04:22 MIXED USE SITE. [Captioner] 19:04:27 >> Commissioner Daulton: COMMISSIONER BASRAI. YB [Captioner] 19:04:30 >> Commissioner Basrai: I ALSO VISITED THE PAPE SITE [Captioner] 19:04:34 . I DID ATTEND AS A ATTEND [Captioner] 19:04:37 EE TO THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, I HAPPENED [Captioner] 19:04:41 TO ATTEND TO SEE SO I DID HEAR THE CONVERSATIONS LAST TIME. I [Captioner] 19:04:44 DROVE BY THE THORNTON SITE AND THEN HI A QUESTION, I DRIVE [Captioner] 19:04:47 BY THE [Captioner] 19:04:51 SILICON SAGE SITE VERY OFTEN BECAUSE MY BUSINESS IS [Captioner] 19:04:55 VERY CLOSE TO IT. AND I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF [Captioner] 19:04:58 I NEED TO BE RECUSED OR NOT. I DO NOT OWN THE PROPERTY [Captioner] 19:05:02 THAT IS CLOSE TO THERE. THAT'S OWNED BY MY [Captioner] 19:05:05 PARENTS. BUT MY BUSINESS IS RIGHT KITTY [Captioner] 19:05:08 CORNER IN THAT SITE. >> Commissioner Daulton: JOEL COULD YOU [Captioner] 19:05:12 SPEAK TO THAT? [Captioner] 19:05:17 >> Planner Pullen: SORRY, CHAIR. IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY [Captioner] 19:05:21 INTEREST WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE SITE OR [Captioner] 19:05:24 UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, A LITTLE FURTHER [Captioner] 19:05:27 , [Captioner] 19:05:31 IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT TO RECUSE YOURSELF FROM THAT ITEM [Captioner] 19:05:34 . OUR SENIOR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE [Captioner] 19:05:37 AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT OR YOU FEEL YOU COULDN'T [Captioner] 19:05:41 JUDGE FAIRLY IN ANY CASE REGARDLESS OF THE [Captioner] 19:05:44 SPECIFIC DISTANCE YOU COULD ALSO JUST CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE OUT [Captioner] 19:05:47 OF CAUTION. HEATHER. >> YEAH, I WOULD [Captioner] 19:05:50 SAY WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE DETAILS OF YOUR FINANCIAL INTEREST I [Captioner] 19:05:53 MEAN THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A FINANCIAL INTEREST THAT IS AFFECTED BY [Captioner] 19:05:57 THE OUTCOME THEN IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO RECUSE YOURSELF [Captioner] 19:06:00 . IF WE KNOW MORE, MAYBE AHEAD OF TIME [Captioner] 19:06:03 WE COULD LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY BUT I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE [Captioner] 19:06:07 MORE PRUDENT COURSE. [Captioner] 19:06:10 >> Commissioner Basrai: OKAY THEN I'LL CHOOSE TO RECUSE [Captioner] 19:06:13 MYSELF. COULD I [Captioner] 19:06:16 LISTEN IN OR RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE VOTE? [Captioner] 19:06:20 >> YOU SHOULD GO OFFSCREEN, YOU CAN WATCH IT [Captioner] 19:06:23 ONLINE IF YOU WANT BUT YOU SHOULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN ANY WAY. [Captioner] 19:06:32 >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LIU ANY DISCLOSURE [Captioner] 19:06:35 DISCLOSURES? >> Commissioner Liu: I DROVE PAST THE [Captioner] 19:06:38 PAPE MACHINING SITE AS WELL AS [Captioner] 19:06:42 THE [Captioner] 19:06:45 SILICON SAGE SITE. THAT'S ALL. >> Commissioner Daulton: OKAY, I [Captioner] 19:06:48 BASICALLY WALKED ALL THREE SITES, YEAH. SO THAT BEING DONE [Captioner] 19:06:52 , LET'S MOVE TO ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. [Captioner] 19:06:55 TRISH DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC ORAL COMMUNICATIONS AT THIS TIME [Captioner] 19:06:59 ? >> Trish Cordova: CHAIR DAULTON, I DO NOT HAVE ANY RAISED [Captioner] 19:07:02 HANDS. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. >> Commissioner Daulton: VERY GOOD [Captioner] 19:07:05 . LOOKS LIKE WE CAN MOVE STRAIGHT TO OUR [Captioner] 19:07:08 FIRST AGENDA ITEM WHICH IS THE PAPE MACHINE [Captioner] 19:07:12 RY PYLON SIGN, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. [Captioner] 19:07:16 JOEL WOULD YOU INTRODUCE THE STAFF [Captioner] 19:07:19 MEMBER AND THE ITEM ITSELF. [Captioner] 19:07:22 >> Planner Pullen: YES, SIR, SO STARTING WITH THE PAPE MACHINERY PYLON [Captioner] 19:07:27 SIGN C.U.P., ITEM 1, THIS IS LOCATED [Captioner] 19:07:30 AT 43510 [Captioner] 19:07:34 OSGOOD ROAD. THE APPLICATION IS TO CONSIDER A [Captioner] 19:07:45 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO INSTALL A FREEWAY ORIENTED PYLON SIGN ADJACENT TO INTERSTATE 680 AT 43510 OSGOOD ROAD [Captioner] 19:07:46 IN THE IRVINGTON COMMUNITY PLAN AREA AND TO CONSIDER A FINDING THAT NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL [Captioner] 19:07:50 REVIEW IS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO OF [Captioner] 19:07:53 CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY [Captioner] 19:07:58 ACT (CEQA) PER, WITHOUT LIMITATION, PURSUANT TO CEQA GUIDELINES SECTION 15311, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, [Captioner] 19:08:03 AND PURSUANT TO CEQA GUIDELINES SECTION 15183, AS THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL [Captioner] 19:08:06 PLAN, FOR WHICH AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT (EIR) (SCH#2010082060) WAS PREVIOUSLY [Captioner] 19:08:14 AS PREPARED AND CERTIFIED. JAMES WILLIS [Captioner] 19:08:17 HAS A STAFF PRESENTATION, AND [Captioner] 19:08:20 AFTER PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO ABLE TO GIVE TEN MINUTES [Captioner] 19:08:24 OF PRESENTATION, AND THEN ANOTHER [Captioner] 19:08:27 FIVE MINUTES IN REBUTTAL AFTER [Captioner] 19:08:30 THE PUBLIC GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK. SO WITH THAT [Captioner] 19:08:33 , JAMES IS AVAILABLE. [Captioner] 19:08:40 >> Commissioner Daulton: GO AHEAD, JAMES. [Captioner] 19:08:44 >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. JOINING ME THIS EVENINGS [Captioner] 19:08:47 EVENING IS MY COLLEAGUE DONOVAN L [Captioner] 19:08:51 LAZARO, THE CITY'S [Captioner] 19:08:54 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WHO WILL BE ASSISTING ME [Captioner] 19:08:57 WITH THIS [Captioner] 19:09:02 PRESENTATION. THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT [Captioner] 19:09:05 IS THE PAPE DESIGN CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. [Captioner] 19:09:08 PYLON SIGN ORIENTED TOWARDS [Captioner] 19:09:11 THE 680 FREEWAY. PER FMC [Captioner] 19:09:14 18.193. [Captioner] 19:09:17 610, A FREEWAY ORIENTED PYLON [Captioner] 19:09:20 SIGN ON AN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY IS [Captioner] 19:09:24 ALLOWED SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE PROPOSED SIGN WOULD BE [Captioner] 19:09:27 LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE NEW PAPE MACHINERY [Captioner] 19:09:31 CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT DEALERSHIP AND WOULD BE LIMITED TO ADVERTISING [Captioner] 19:09:34 FOR DEALERSHIP ITSELF. NO CHANGE [Captioner] 19:09:37 ABLE COPY OR OFFSITE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED [Captioner] 19:09:41 AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD PROHIBIT THAT TYPES OF [Captioner] 19:09:44 SIGNS. THE DEALERSHIP WAS APPROVED BY THE [Captioner] 19:09:47 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ON JUNE 30th, 2020. THE [Captioner] 19:09:51 APPLICANT PREEIVELT PROPOSED A LARGER SIGN AT THE SITE [Captioner] 19:09:54 WHICH WAS PRESENTED AT THE [Captioner] 19:09:57 FEBRUARY 10 2022 PLANNING COMMISSION [Captioner] 19:10:00 HEARING. THE ITEM [Captioner] 19:10:04 WAS [Captioner] 19:10:07 OUTREACH TO NEIGHBORS AND TO PREPARE A VISUAL ANALYSIS OF THE [Captioner] 19:10:10 PROPOSED SIGN. THE APPLICANT HAS USED THAT TIME TO [Captioner] 19:10:13 MODIFY THE PROMOTE [Captioner] 19:10:17 PROPOSAL, TO MODIFY THE [Captioner] 19:10:20 SIGN TO IN ORDER TO [Captioner] 19:10:24 ADDRESS CONCERNS RAISED BY THE COMMISSION DURING THE FEBRUARY [Captioner] 19:10:27 HEARING THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THE PROPOSAL TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT [Captioner] 19:10:30 OF THE SIGN FROM 45 FEET TO 35 [Captioner] 19:10:33 FEET A 12.5% REDUCTION [Captioner] 19:10:36 IN HEIGHT. THE SIGN HAS BEEN REDUCED IN AREA FROM 1 [Captioner] 19:10:40 52 SQUARE FEET TO 120 SQUARE FEET. [Captioner] 19:10:43 A REDUCTION OF 21% IN SIGN AREA. [Captioner] 19:10:50 THE PAPE MACHINERY SITE IS ZONED SERVICE INDUSTRIAL [Captioner] 19:10:53 , WITH INDUSTRIAL USES BOUNDING THE SITE ON [Captioner] 19:10:56 TWO SIDES. THE [Captioner] 19:11:00 JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HALL [Captioner] 19:11:03 AT THE NORTH IS [Captioner] 19:11:08 DIVIDED BY TREES. THE [Captioner] 19:11:12 KILOEST, BEHIND A SOUND WALL WHICH [Captioner] 19:11:15 WOULD BLOCK VIEWS OF THE PROPOSED SIGN. [Captioner] 19:11:18 THE APPLICANT HAS REACHED OUT TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTY [Captioner] 19:11:21 OWNERS AND NO CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED SIGN HAVE [Captioner] 19:11:24 BEEN RECEIVED. ADDITIONALLY, THE SITE IS CROSS [Captioner] 19:11:27 CROSSED BY MULTIPLE HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINES AND [Captioner] 19:11:31 THE SEVEN EXISTING LATTICE TOWERS [Captioner] 19:11:34 GREATLY IMPACT THE EXISTING VIEW OF THE SITE [Captioner] 19:11:37 FROM THE INTERSTATE 680 FREEWAY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE [Captioner] 19:11:40 THAT THIS TYPE OF SIGN WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED ON [Captioner] 19:11:43 A FEW PARCELS ALONG THE INTERSTATE [Captioner] 19:11:47 680 CORRIDOR IN FREMONT. FREMONT PYLON [Captioner] 19:11:50 SIGNS ARE ONLY ALLOWED ON INDUSTRIAL SIGNS DIRECTLY ABUT [Captioner] 19:11:53 TING THE FREEWAY. LESS THAN TEN PARCELS [Captioner] 19:11:56 ALONG INTERSTATE 680 WOULD MEET [Captioner] 19:12:00 THIS REQUIREMENT. INDUSTRIAL PARCELS NORTH OF THE [Captioner] 19:12:03 SITE ARE BLOCKED FROM THE FREEWAY BY A HILL SO [Captioner] 19:12:06 FREEWAY SIGNAGE IS UNLIKELY [Captioner] 19:12:09 TO BE FEASIBLE ON THOSE PARCELS. THE [Captioner] 19:12:12 APPLICANT HAS INSTALLED A TOWER AT THE SITE WITH [Captioner] 19:12:16 COLORED MESH TO MARK [Captioner] 19:12:19 HEIGHTS AT THE TOP OF THE GRADE. THE TOP OF THE GREEN MESH IS [Captioner] 19:12:22 AT THE 30 FOOT LEVEL. THE PROPOSED [Captioner] 19:12:25 SIGN IS 35 FEET TALL. SO IT WOULD BE IN THE [Captioner] 19:12:28 MIDDLE OF THE RED MESH PANEL. [Captioner] 19:12:34 CITY STAFF VISITED THE SITE AFTER THE TOWER WAS INSTALLED [Captioner] 19:12:37 , AND TOOK THE PHOTOS SHOWN HERE. [Captioner] 19:12:40 AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SIGN WOULD BE RELATIVELY LOW [Captioner] 19:12:43 IN COMPARISON TO THE FREEWAY, AND THE UTILITY [Captioner] 19:12:46 LATTICE TOWERS CLUTTERED THE EXISTING VIEWS OF THE SITE [Captioner] 19:12:49 . AS CURRENTLY [Captioner] 19:12:52 DESIGNED THE PROPOSED SIGN WOULD BE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY SEVEN FEET [Captioner] 19:12:56 ABOVE THE GRADE OF THE FREEWAY. IF THE SIGN WAS SHORTER, [Captioner] 19:12:59 IT COULD BE BLOCKED BY THE FREEWAY BARRIERS. [Captioner] 19:13:03 DONOVAN LOZARO WILL NOW [Captioner] 19:13:07 SPEAK ABOUT THE ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS OF THE PROJECT. [Captioner] 19:13:10 DONOVAN. >> THANK YOU JAMES. AS JAMES MENTION [Captioner] 19:13:13 ED EARLIER, MY NAME IS DONOVAN L [Captioner] 19:13:16 AZARO AND I SERVE AS ECONOMIC [Captioner] 19:13:19 DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HERE IN FREMONT. I'M [Captioner] 19:13:23 HERE TO REINFORCE THE REPORT ON [Captioner] 19:13:26 THE PAPE SIGN AND [Captioner] 19:13:32 PRODUCE MORE INFORMATION. THIS HAS BEEN A [Captioner] 19:13:36 LABOR OF LOVE FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, ULTIMATELY TAKING [Captioner] 19:13:39 A SITE THAT WAS HIGHLY BLIGHTED [Captioner] 19:13:42 AND CONSIDERED UNDEVELOPABLE DUE TO THE UTILITIES [Captioner] 19:13:46 TRAVERSING THIS SITE AND TURNING IT TO A MAJOR [Captioner] 19:13:49 TAX REVENUE GENERATE TO SUPPORT CITY SERVICES [Captioner] 19:13:52 AND SUPPLYING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO OUR REGION. [Captioner] 19:13:55 THIS PROJECT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE [Captioner] 19:13:58 COMPANY'S HISTORY, CONSOLIDATING [Captioner] 19:14:01 MULTIPLE LOCATIONS IN FREMONT, [Captioner] 19:14:05 INTO A CORPORATION YARD. THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE [Captioner] 19:14:08 RECOGNIZED PAPE'S INVESTMENT, AND THE CRITICAL ROLE OF [Captioner] 19:14:11 ITS SERVICES TO THE STATE'S DEVELOPMENT AND PROVIDED TAX DEVELOPMENTS [Captioner] 19:14:14 TO HELP OFFSET THE COMPANY [Captioner] 19:14:19 'S SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. NEXT [Captioner] 19:14:22 SLIDE PLEASE. PAPE IS A LONG STANDING FREMONT BUSINESS [Captioner] 19:14:25 HAVING OPERATED HERE SINCE 1984 [Captioner] 19:14:28 . THEIR CUSTOMERS INCLUDE MOST [Captioner] 19:14:33 OF THE PUBLIC AGENCIES. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PAPE [Captioner] 19:14:36 IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TAX [Captioner] 19:14:39 GENERATORS IN THE CITY. ANOTHER IT IS ONLY A [Captioner] 19:14:42 TOP 25 TAX GENERATOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS [Captioner] 19:14:46 TO THE CITY ARE SIGNIFICANT. ALTHOUGH IT [Captioner] 19:14:49 MAY NOT PROVIDE A WAY FINDING [Captioner] 19:14:53 SIGN IN THE ERA OF GMS, [Captioner] 19:14:56 WE FLO IT WILL SUPPORT GREATER AWARENESS AND SALES AT [Captioner] 19:14:59 THAT POINT OF SALE OVER TIME. IN STAFF'S VIEW THE SIGN IS [Captioner] 19:15:02 APPROPRIATELY SIZED AND LOCATED AND WE RECOMMEND [Captioner] 19:15:06 APPROVAL. THANK YOU. [Captioner] 19:15:10 >> AS DONOVAN MENTIONED STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING [Captioner] 19:15:13 COMMISSION FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CEQA FOR THE [Captioner] 19:15:16 REASONS ENUMERATED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND APPROVE THE PROJECT [Captioner] 19:15:20 AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A AND SUBJECT [Captioner] 19:15:23 TO THE CONDITIONS OF [Captioner] 19:15:26 APPROVAL CONTAINED IN EXHIBIT B. THANK YOU. [Captioner] 19:15:30 >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO [Captioner] 19:15:33 CLARIFY THE STAFF PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME [Captioner] 19:15:37 ? [Captioner] 19:15:40 I SEE NO RAISED HANDS. SO IN THAT [Captioner] 19:15:43 CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE [Captioner] 19:15:46 THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD AND SPEAK IF THEY WOULD [Captioner] 19:15:49 CARE TO. >> YES, I WOULD, THANK YOU [Captioner] 19:15:53 . THANK YOU COMMISSIONER [Captioner] 19:15:56 . [Captioner] 19:16:02 GOOD EVENING EXERTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, FIRST OF ALL [Captioner] 19:16:05 WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK FROM THE PRIOR MEETING AND [Captioner] 19:16:08 THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESS [Captioner] 19:16:11 ED AND TO REVISE OUR PROPOSAL AS JAMES AND [Captioner] 19:16:15 DONOVAN MENTIONED. FIRSTLY [Captioner] 19:16:18 FOR OUR AGENDA JUST A QUICK HISTORY [Captioner] 19:16:21 ON WHERE WE WERE AT A PRIOR MEETING AND THEN WANTED TO [Captioner] 19:16:24 ADDRESS AN ITEM OF DISCUSSION FROM OUR PAST MEETING WHICH IS [Captioner] 19:16:27 IF IMPACT OF OUTDOOR SIGNAGE ON OUR BUSINESS. [Captioner] 19:16:30 THEN WE WANTED TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC COMMISSIONER [Captioner] 19:16:33 S CONCERNS FROM THE PRIOR MEETING INCLUDING THE PRECEDENCE [Captioner] 19:16:37 THAT A SIGN LIKE THIS MIGHT ESTABLISH, THE ISSUE OF LIGHT [Captioner] 19:16:40 POLLUTION, SIGN HEIGHT AND SIZE, IMPACT ON [Captioner] 19:16:43 NEIGHBORS, AND THEN WE HAVE A VIDEO PRESENTATION [Captioner] 19:16:46 , OR IF THAT GETS GLITCHY [Captioner] 19:16:50 I'LL SWITCH TO STILLS THAT ARE RESPONSIVE TO THE [Captioner] 19:16:53 COMMISSIONERS REQUEST FOR STORY BOARDS OR OTHER [Captioner] 19:16:56 VISUAL RENDERINGS ON THE SIGNAGE. WE'LL FINISH ON [Captioner] 19:16:59 THAT WITH A BRIEF RECAP OF PAPE IN THE COMMUNITY SOME OF [Captioner] 19:17:03 WHICH DONOVAN HAS DESCRIBED AND OUR RECAP OF [Captioner] 19:17:06 GENERAL PLAN EXACTIBILTY WITH RESPECT TO OUR [Captioner] 19:17:09 -- EXAT IBT WITH RESPECT TO OUR PROPOSAL. [Captioner] 19:17:12 A BRIEF HISTORY. IN FEBRUARY AS MENTIONED WE MET WITH [Captioner] 19:17:16 THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING OUR REQUEST FOR THE SIGNAGE THAT IS [Captioner] 19:17:19 RENDERED TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN. WE INITIALLY APPLIED FOR [Captioner] 19:17:22 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR APPROVAL TO HAVE A FREE STANDING [Captioner] 19:17:25 PAPE SIGN AT 40 FOOT OVERALL HEIGHT AND [Captioner] 19:17:28 152 SQUARE FEET AND WE ENDED THE MEETING WITH AN AGREEMENT [Captioner] 19:17:32 TO REVISIT THE DISCUSS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS [Captioner] 19:17:35 COMMISSION'S CONCERNS. BUT FIRSTLY [Captioner] 19:17:38 A LITTLE BIT OF SIGNAGE. THE OBJECTIVE FOR SIGNAGE FOR [Captioner] 19:17:41 US, IT'S OBVIOUSLY DESIGNED TO ATTRACT BUSINESS [Captioner] 19:17:44 BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT'S [Captioner] 19:17:48 MEANT TO WORK AND THAT MEANS IN PROPORTION TO [Captioner] 19:17:51 ITS SURROUNDINGS SUBDUE [Captioner] 19:17:55 ED LIGHTING, OPAQUE BACKGROUND AND LIMIT [Captioner] 19:17:58 ED SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE IMPORTANCE FOR US FOR THIS [Captioner] 19:18:01 SIGN IS OBVIOUSLY INTERSTATE 6 [Captioner] 19:18:04 80 AND THE TRAFFIC COUNTS IT PRESENTS AS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE [Captioner] 19:18:08 SCREEN HERE. OVER 150,000 VEHICLES PER [Captioner] 19:18:11 DAY PASS BY THIS PLACE WHICH GIVES YOU [Captioner] 19:18:14 A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ATTRACT BUSINESS FROM A POPULATION THAT DRIVES [Captioner] 19:18:17 BY. [Captioner] 19:18:21 IMPACT OF SIGNAGE ON OUR BUSINESS [Captioner] 19:18:24 . WE'VE DONE EXTENSIVE BRAND RESEARCH ON WHAT THE SIGNAGE [Captioner] 19:18:28 MEANS TO US AND THE STUDIES THAT WE USE INDICATE THAT CONSUMERS [Captioner] 19:18:31 DO MAKE DETERMINATIONS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE BUSINESS BASED ON [Captioner] 19:18:34 ITS SIGNS. FOR EXAMPLE, EACH ADDITIONAL SIGN [Captioner] 19:18:37 INSTALLED AT A SITE OUR STUDIES SHOW [Captioner] 19:18:40 THAT ARE EXPECTED TO INCREASE SALES BY NEARLY 5% WHICH [Captioner] 19:18:43 IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. IF YOU LOOK [Captioner] 19:18:47 AT A SAMPLE [Captioner] 19:18:51 STORE, THAT IS $24,000 INCREASE PER ADDITIONAL SIGN [Captioner] 19:18:54 IN BUSINESS GENERATION. THE KEY FACTOR FOR [Captioner] 19:18:57 CONSUMERS IS THAT SIGNS THAT ARE TOO SMALL OR [Captioner] 19:19:04 ILLEGIBLE CAN MEAN A MISS [Captioner] 19:19:07 ED OPPORTUNITY AS CUSTOMERS DRIVER PAST WITHOUT LOCAT [Captioner] 19:19:10 ING THE BUSINESS. STATISTICS ON THE PROJECT, [Captioner] 19:19:13 SIGN QUALITY REALLY IMPACTS OUR ABILITY TO DRAW IN CUSTOMERS. IN [Captioner] 19:19:17 OUR STUDY MORE THAN HALF OF [Captioner] 19:19:20 CONSUMERS SAY THEY HAVE DRIVEN BY AND FAIL TO FIND A BUSINESS BECAUSE [Captioner] 19:19:23 THE SIGN WAS TOO SMALL OR UNCLEAR. A THIRD [Captioner] 19:19:26 OF THE CUSTOMERS SAY THEY HAVE BEEN DRAWN INTO UN [Captioner] 19:19:30 UNFAMILIAR STORES BASED ON QUALITY OF SIGNS [Captioner] 19:19:34 AND OTHERS SAY THEY [Captioner] 19:19:37 HAVE DIFFERENCE OF QUALITY OF BUSINESS. WHAT CONSTITUTES THE SIGNAGE [Captioner] 19:19:41 THAT THE CONSUMERS LIKE? WHY THE PAPE SIGN WORKS [Captioner] 19:19:44 IS THE LETTERS ARE LARGE AND EASILY [Captioner] 19:19:48 SPACED AND READABLE AND THERE IS A [Captioner] 19:19:51 HIGH CONTRAST, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF [Captioner] 19:19:55 CRITERIA, MAY BE HARD TO SEE ON [Captioner] 19:19:59 A ZOOM SCREEN BUT 83% SAY WHEN LETTERS ARE TOO [Captioner] 19:20:02 SMALL IT MAKES A SIGN DIFFICULT TO READ [Captioner] 19:20:05 , 72% SAY CORE PLACEMENT IS [Captioner] 19:20:09 A PROBLEM AND 64% SAY NOT SUFFICIENTLY LIT [Captioner] 19:20:12 AT NIGHT AND OUR ISSUE [Captioner] 19:20:16 IS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. [Captioner] 19:20:19 SWITCHING TO THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS FROM THE LAST MEETING, THE FIRST [Captioner] 19:20:22 CONCERN THAT WAS EXPRESSED WAS SIGN HEIGHT AND SIZE AND WE APPRECIATE [Captioner] 19:20:26 THE FEEDBACK AND WE'VE LISTENED AND WE [Captioner] 19:20:29 HAVE CHANGED OUR PROPOSAL AS JAMES AND DONOVAN [Captioner] 19:20:33 MENTIONED FROM 152 SQUARE FEET AT [Captioner] 19:20:36 44 FOOT OVERALL [Captioner] 19:20:40 HEIGHT, TO 44 FOOT OVERALL HEIGHT. IF ALLOWED [Captioner] 19:20:43 AT A 35 FOOT [Captioner] 19:20:46 OVERALL HEIGHT, THE SIGN WOULD BE 17 FEET AT [Captioner] 19:20:49 ITS TOP IN VISIBILITY OF 680 [Captioner] 19:20:53 OVER THE BARRIERS AT THE FREEWAY. THE RENDERING [Captioner] 19:20:56 OF THE RIGHT SHOWS THE FORMER PROPOSAL AND IN THE [Captioner] 19:20:59 FOREGROUND THE SIGN WITH THE REVISE [Captioner] 19:21:02 ED HEIGHT AND SIZE. THE NEXT CONCERN THAT [Captioner] 19:21:05 WAS EXPRESSED WAS SETTING A PRECEDENCE AND WE [Captioner] 19:21:08 CERTAINLY RESPECT THAT. AS MENTIONED, THERE IS A ONE MILE [Captioner] 19:21:12 CORRIDOR ALONG I 680 [Captioner] 19:21:15 THAT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR SUCH SIGNS. AND [Captioner] 19:21:18 CURRENTLY, ALL BUT ONE SITE IS DEVELOPED OUT PROPERTY [Captioner] 19:21:21 . THE ONE REMAINING UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY IN [Captioner] 19:21:25 THIS SECTOR IS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, AND THAT'S [Captioner] 19:21:28 OUR PROPERTY FOR PAPE MACHINERY. [Captioner] 19:21:34 WITH RESPECT TO ANOTHER CONCERN THAT WAS LIGHT POLLUTION I'D LIKE [Captioner] 19:21:37 TO FIRST START AT THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE. AS [Captioner] 19:21:40 JAMES MENTIONED IN OUR LAST COMMISSION MEETING THE SIGNAGE IS [Captioner] 19:21:43 ORIENTED TO FACE THE TRAFFIC THAT IS HEADED NORTH [Captioner] 19:21:47 AND SOUTHBOUND ON I 680 AND FACES [Captioner] 19:21:50 EDGE-ON TO THE FIRM DIRECTLY ACROSS THE FREEWAY. [Captioner] 19:21:53 THE RIGHT-HAND PHOTO IS A PHOTO OF A SIMILAR SIGN AT [Captioner] 19:21:56 ANOTHER PAPE FACILITY THAT IS [Captioner] 19:21:59 SIMILARLY SITUATED AND YOU CAN SEE THE NARROW EDGE PROFILE [Captioner] 19:22:02 HERE THAT WOULD FACE FROM ACROSS THE FREEWAY. [Captioner] 19:22:06 OUR PHOTO SURVEY BUILDING ON [Captioner] 19:22:09 WHAT JAMES HAD TO SAY, OUR PHOTO SURVEY THAT SHOWS THAT NONE [Captioner] 19:22:13 OF THE HOMES ON THE HILL ACROSS FROM 680 HAVE A [Captioner] 19:22:16 MEANINGFUL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. LIKE JAMES MENTION [Captioner] 19:22:19 ED THAT IS EITHER DUE TO TALL CONCRETE NOISE [Captioner] 19:22:22 BARRIERS OR ALSO DUE TO HILLS TREES AND DISTANCE. [Captioner] 19:22:25 ALSO I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT OF THE 120 SQUARE FOOT [Captioner] 19:22:29 IN SIGN FACE, ONLY 65 SQUARE FEET [Captioner] 19:22:32 OF THAT FACE IS ILLUMINATED. THE REST [Captioner] 19:22:35 BEING AN OPAQUE AND BLACK BACKGROUND. SO THE LIGHT [Captioner] 19:22:39 ED PORTION IS RESTRICTED AS YOU SEE HERE TO THE LOGO [Captioner] 19:22:42 AND THE LETTERS BELOW. [Captioner] 19:22:46 IMPACT ON NEIGHBORS WAS ALREADY COVERED. WE HAVE REACHED OUT [Captioner] 19:22:50 AND RECEIVE NO OBJECTION FROM OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH [Captioner] 19:22:54 . CIPs COMPANY AND THE NEIGHBORS TO THE [Captioner] 19:22:58 NORTH, THE ASSEMBLY HALL [Captioner] 19:23:01 OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. [Captioner] 19:23:05 I'LL SWITCH TO A VIDEO, IT MAY TAKE [Captioner] 19:23:08 TEN SECONDS FOR THE VIDEO TO LOAD, IF IT [Captioner] 19:23:11 DOES NOT WORK I WILL SWITCH TO STILLS. [Captioner] 19:23:16 AND IF SOMEBODY CAN PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THEY SEE THAT [Captioner] 19:23:19 PLAYING. [Captioner] 19:23:33 >> Commissioner Daulton: IT'S WORKING. >> THANK YOU [Captioner] 19:23:36 , COMMISSIONER. [Captioner] 19:23:42 I 680 NORTHBOUND PASSING [Captioner] 19:23:45 THE SITE. [Captioner] 19:24:25 MOVING ON AS WAS ALLUDED TO BY DONOVAN [Captioner] 19:24:29 , DONOVAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS. PAPE [Captioner] 19:24:32 IN THE COMMUNITY. IN ADDITION TO THE TAX GENERATION THAT WAS MENTIONED [Captioner] 19:24:35 , WE'RE A PROVIDER OF FAMILY WAGE [Captioner] 19:24:39 JOBS AND EMPLOY A VARIETY OF SKILLED WORKERS IN THE [Captioner] 19:24:42 COMMUNITY. WE'RE ALSO A SUPPORTER OF MAJOR CITIES [Captioner] 19:24:45 AND PUBLIC WORK AGENCIES ACROSS [Captioner] 19:24:48 THE GREATER BAY AREA, [Captioner] 19:24:52 INCLUDING ALAMEDA COUNTY, MANY OTHERS LIKE I MENTIONED [Captioner] 19:24:55 THROUGHOUT THE BAY AREA. [Captioner] 19:25:00 THE GOPE IS, WE ARE [Captioner] 19:25:03 PLEASED TO COMMITTEE FROM THE GO [Captioner] 19:25:08 BIZ INCENTIVE [Captioner] 19:25:11 , ESSENTIAL IN EARNING THAT FROM [Captioner] 19:25:14 THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND CRITICAL [Captioner] 19:25:18 FACILITIES ACROSS THE REGION. WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR [Captioner] 19:25:21 THE SUPPORT LIKE DONOVAN SAID, A [Captioner] 19:25:24 LABOR OF LOVE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT [Captioner] 19:25:27 OF CITY STAFF AND IT'S BEEN A CLOSE COLLABORATION [Captioner] 19:25:30 OVER THOSE YEARS WITH FREMONT PLANNING AND [Captioner] 19:25:34 BUILDING DEPARTMENTS AND ECONOMIC REDEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE IT NEARLY [Captioner] 19:25:37 COME TO FRUITION. AS WAS ALSO MENTIONED THIS LOCATION IS [Captioner] 19:25:40 THE FLAGSHIP DEALERSHIP FOR PAPE. WE HAVE [Captioner] 19:25:43 FOOTPRINT IN NINE STATES PREDOMINANTLY CALIFORNIA AND [Captioner] 19:25:46 OREGON AND WASHINGTON AND THIS BY FAR IS THE SIGNATURE FACILITY FOR [Captioner] 19:25:49 OUR ENTIRE NETWORK AND WE'RE VERY PROUD TO HAVE [Captioner] 19:25:52 THAT IN FREMONT. IN TERMS [Captioner] 19:25:55 OF GENERAL COMPLIANT COMPATIBILITY, OUR APPLICATION [Captioner] 19:25:59 SUPPORTS THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS REQUIRED FOR [Captioner] 19:26:02 CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL. CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL [Captioner] 19:26:05 PLAN AND APPLICABLE ZONING, FREEWAY ORIENT [Captioner] 19:26:08 ED MOUNTED POLE SIGNS ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE [Captioner] 19:26:12 IS ZONING DISTRICT WITH APPROVAL OF DESIGN. THE SITE [Captioner] 19:26:15 IS PHYSICALLY SUITABLE FOR THE TYPE AND DENSITY OF THE SIGN [Captioner] 19:26:18 , IT'S SITUATED FACING THE FREEWAY NOT FACING [Captioner] 19:26:23 THE HILLS OR NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. [Captioner] 19:26:26 THE PORTION OF I 680 THAT IT'S ON IS NOT [Captioner] 19:26:29 DESIGNATED AS SCENIC HIGHWAY IN [Captioner] 19:26:32 THE GENERAL PLAN AND AS MENTIONED THE SITE ESTHETICS OF THE [Captioner] 19:26:36 PROPERTY ARE HIGHLY IMPACTED BY HIGH VOLTAGE POWER [Captioner] 19:26:39 LINES WITH LARGE LAT ADVERTISE T [Captioner] 19:26:42 LATTICE TOWERS. ALSO THE DESIGN LOCATION [Captioner] 19:26:45 AND SIZE OF THE PROPOSED USE ARE COMPATIBLE [Captioner] 19:26:48 WITH DEVELOPMENT IN THE VICINITY. WITH RESPECT TO THE SIGN A 35 [Captioner] 19:26:52 FOOT TALL SIGN ADJACENT TO VAITED FREEWAY [Captioner] 19:26:55 IS INTENDED TO GIVE VISIBILITY OF THE SIGN BUS DID [Captioner] 19:26:58 NOT OTHERWISE STAND OUT BECAUSE THAT 35 [Captioner] 19:27:02 -- >> MR. PAPE YOU HAVE LESS THAN [Captioner] 19:27:05 ONE MINUTE LEFT. >> THANK YOU. >> AND FINALLY, [Captioner] 19:27:08 THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT BE [Captioner] 19:27:11 DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH SAFETY OR WELFARE OF [Captioner] 19:27:14 PERSONS OR PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY. AS MENTIONED THE [Captioner] 19:27:17 PROPOSED SIGN HAS BEEN APPROVED BY CALTRANS [Captioner] 19:27:21 AND PG&E AND THE ETERNAL [Captioner] 19:27:24 RESOLUTION IS NOT [Captioner] 19:27:28 TO CREATE TO THE [Captioner] 19:27:31 SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. IF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO [Captioner] 19:27:34 SEE MORE DRAWINGS OF HOW THE SIGN WILL APPEAR BUT OTHER THAN THAT [Captioner] 19:27:38 WE'LL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU. [Captioner] 19:27:41 COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? [Captioner] 19:27:48 SEEING NO HANDS FROM THE COMMISSION, TRISH [Captioner] 19:27:51 DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? >> Trish Cordova: [Captioner] 19:27:55 CHAIR DAULTON WE DO HAVE RAISED HANDS. I HAVE ONE [Captioner] 19:27:58 SPEAKER. HOW MANY MINUTES MAY [Captioner] 19:28:01 THE SPEAKER HAVE? >> Commissioner Daulton: THREE MINUTES. [Captioner] 19:28:04 >> Trish Cordova: THREE MINUTES SO [Captioner] 19:28:07 LEGALITY ME GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE THE FIRST SPEAKER. [Captioner] 19:28:11 KELLY A, I'M GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK [Captioner] 19:28:14 . GO AHEAD KELLY YOU CAN SPEAK NOW. [Captioner] 19:28:22 KELLY? GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. [Captioner] 19:28:25 >> GO AHEAD, ALL RIGHT. THIS MORNING [Captioner] 19:28:29 , ALAMEDA COUNTY DID THE EXACT SAME THING AS WHAT YOU [Captioner] 19:28:32 WERE DOING EXCEPT THEY SPENT OVER AN HOUR ON IT AND THEY [Captioner] 19:28:35 HAD LAWYERS, THEY HAD COMMUNITY PEOPLE, AND PEOPLE [Captioner] 19:28:38 WERE -- IT WAS -- IT'S AN INCREDIBLE -- [Captioner] 19:28:42 WHAT I LEARNED FROM THIS, IT IS INCREDIBLY -- [Captioner] 19:28:45 THIS IS HAPPENING IN ASHLAND [Captioner] 19:28:48 , CHERRYLAND HAYWARD THERE RIGHT NEXT TO A FREEWAY [Captioner] 19:28:52 . THIS PROJECT RIGHT NEXT OA FREEWAY. [Captioner] 19:28:55 BUT THIS PROJECT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAWS AND WHAT I LEARNED THIS MORNING [Captioner] 19:28:58 IS THESE LAWS ARE VERY COMPLICATED, THEY ARE VERY [Captioner] 19:29:01 -- AND IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND SEE HOW [Captioner] 19:29:04 IT ALIGNS WITH THE LAWS IT'S ACTUALLY NOT BAD. [Captioner] 19:29:08 IT KIND OF ALIGNS. AND [Captioner] 19:29:11 THEN IF YOU LISTEN TO THIS GENTLEMAN WHO'S JUST SPEAKING [Captioner] 19:29:16 , THE -- WHAT [Captioner] 19:29:19 SEEMS LIKE A RESPECTABLE PERSON AS POAPPED TO [Captioner] 19:29:22 THE LAWYERS WHO WERE DEFENDING [Captioner] 19:29:25 THE ELECTRIC SIGNS IN CHERRYLAND [Captioner] 19:29:28 OR WHENEVER. THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY ARE [Captioner] 19:29:32 CERTAINLY LESS TRUSS WORTHY THAN THE PEOPLE SPEAKING HERE. AND [Captioner] 19:29:36 THEN BUT THERE IS ONE AND I DO HAVE [Captioner] 19:29:40 A KNIT TO PICK ABOUT THIS. THE [Captioner] 19:29:43 SIMULATION ABOUT DRIVING DOWN THE TREE WAY SO I [Captioner] 19:29:47 LOOKED AT PICTURES OF GOOGLE DRIVING DOWN THE [Captioner] 19:29:50 FREEWAY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. IT IS NOT WHAT YOU SEE [Captioner] 19:29:53 AT THE LEFT NEAR THE SIGN WHICH SEEMS TO BE LEGALLY [Captioner] 19:29:56 PERMITTED BY THE WAY. ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE YOU [Captioner] 19:29:59 SEE SOMETHING THAT IS A DIGITAL SIMULATION OF AN APARTMENT [Captioner] 19:30:02 BUILDING ON AN OFFICE BUILDING [Captioner] 19:30:05 OR WHATEVER OVER BY DURHAM AND 680. THAT [Captioner] 19:30:09 THING DOES NOT EXIST. THAT IS A PURE -- IT IS AN [Captioner] 19:30:12 MAN NEAR THING. IT IS AN UGLY CONCRETE MONSTROSITY [Captioner] 19:30:15 . AND THE PLANNING STAFF IN THIS ROOM NEED TO TAKE [Captioner] 19:30:19 RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT THE DIFFERENCE -- FOR WHAT YOU SEE [Captioner] 19:30:22 ON THE GROUND THERE, ON GOOGLE, AND [Captioner] 19:30:26 WHAT THE NICE PRETTY SIMULATION AND THIS THING HAS BEEN [Captioner] 19:30:29 GOING ON THIS BUILDING PROJECT FOR FIVE YEARS. AND IT'S [Captioner] 19:30:32 NOW STUCK. AND FREMONT NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR [Captioner] 19:30:35 THAT. I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. FREMONT NEEDS TO [Captioner] 19:30:39 CLEAN UP THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. THIS SIGN THAT YOU'RE PUTTING [Captioner] 19:30:42 UP SEEMS TO BE LEGAL AND, YOU KNOW, [Captioner] 19:30:45 AND I DUG DEEP. VERY DEEP INTO [Captioner] 19:30:49 THE SIGN LAWS. JUST BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW [Captioner] 19:30:52 WHO IS THE KEY FIGURE IN FREEWAY LAWS OF SIGNS [Captioner] 19:30:55 IN AMERICA? THE KEY FIGURE IS [Captioner] 19:30:58 LADY BIRD JOHNSON IN 1967. SHE [Captioner] 19:31:02 IS LEGENDARY. SHE IS THE ONE WHO SAVED AMERICAN FREEWAYS [Captioner] 19:31:06 FROM HAVING SIGNS EVERYWHERE. THANK YOU [Captioner] 19:31:09 . >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU, KELLY. [Captioner] 19:31:14 SO I GUESS I COULD ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY HAVE [Captioner] 19:31:17 ANYTHING TO SAY IN CLOSING, OR [Captioner] 19:31:20 IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT [Captioner] 19:31:24 ? NO [Captioner] 19:31:27 ? OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM [Captioner] 19:31:30 BY -- I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING [Captioner] 19:31:33 THEN AND ASK FOR DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM. [Captioner] 19:31:38 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONER [Captioner] 19:31:41 S? PLEASE. [Captioner] 19:31:44 COMMISSIONER YEE, YES. [Captioner] 19:31:47 >> Commissioner Yee: IT IS COMMISSIONER LIU. [Captioner] 19:31:52 NO THIS TIME IT'S COMMISSIONER YEE [Captioner] 19:31:55 . YOU'RE NEXT. YOU'LL BE NEXT . [Captioner] 19:31:58 >> Commissioner Daulton: COME BACK TO YOU CHARLES. [Captioner] 19:32:01 >> Commissioner Yee: SO I HAD A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY DRIVE THIS 6 [Captioner] 19:32:04 80 STRETCH TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR RENDERING. AND I [Captioner] 19:32:07 APPRECIATE ALL THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT YOU PUT WITH [Captioner] 19:32:11 THE VIDEO, THE PICTURES AND ALL OF THAT. [Captioner] 19:32:14 BUT ONE THING I DID NOTICE IN YOUR RENDERING THROUGH THE [Captioner] 19:32:17 VIDEO IS THAT THE PAPE SIGN THAT'S ON THE BACK SIDE OF [Captioner] 19:32:21 THE BUILDING THAT'S FACING 680 I COULD CLEARLY SEE IT [Captioner] 19:32:24 AS I'M DRIVING BY. [Captioner] 19:32:27 SO I'M JUST WONDERING AT LEAST FOR ME, TO HAVE [Captioner] 19:32:31 THIS ADDITIONAL BILLBOARD WHERE I COULD [Captioner] 19:32:34 ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S A PAPE SIGN ALREADY ON YOUR [Captioner] 19:32:37 BUILDING AS I'M DRIVING SOUTHBOUND AND [Captioner] 19:32:40 ESPECIALLY WHEN I GO NORTHBOUND I COULD SEE THAT PAPE SIGN VERY CLEARLY [Captioner] 19:32:44 . SO I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SHAISH [Captioner] 19:32:47 SHARE THAT WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION [Captioner] 19:32:51 THAT DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO UP AND DOWN THAT 680 STRETCH [Captioner] 19:32:54 TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE BACK SIDE OF THAT [Captioner] 19:32:58 BUILDING IS FACING [Captioner] 19:33:02 THE FREEWAY. >> Commissioner Daulton: I I WELL SAY WE [Captioner] 19:33:05 HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, THIS IS A [Captioner] 19:33:09 DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS AND NO LONGER A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT [Captioner] 19:33:12 . >> Commissioner Yee: RIGHT, I'M JUST SHARING WITH THE REST [Captioner] 19:33:15 OF THE COMMISSION THAT THAT'S WHAT I SAW AS I'M DRIVING [Captioner] 19:33:18 UP AND DOWN 680, I HAD TO DO IT FOUR [Captioner] 19:33:21 TIMES TO VERIFY I COULD SEE THE SIGN AND WHAT RENDERINGS [Captioner] 19:33:25 DID THEY HAVE OVER THERE TO ENSURE WHAT WAS BEING [Captioner] 19:33:28 PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT. [Captioner] 19:33:31 >> Commissioner Daulton: OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YEE. COMMISSIONER LIU [Captioner] 19:33:34 , PLEASE. >> Commissioner Liu: YES SO I THINK THE [Captioner] 19:33:37 ONLY OTHER SIGNS [Captioner] 19:33:41 OF A COMPARABLE SIZE WAS [Captioner] 19:33:45 THE FRY'S [Captioner] 19:33:48 ELECTRONICS SIGN WHEN IT WAS STILL IN BUSINESS. AND I WONDER IF IT [Captioner] 19:33:51 WAS EVER DESIGNED, THE FRY [Captioner] 19:33:55 'S SIGNS WERE EVER ILLUMINATED? DO WE [Captioner] 19:33:58 -- I DON'T QUITE REMEMBER. CAN THE STAFF OR [Captioner] 19:34:01 SOMEONE TELL ME? >> Commissioner Yee: YES, THEY WERE [Captioner] 19:34:05 ILLUMINATED. >> Commissioner Liu: OKAY [Captioner] 19:34:08 . >> Commissioner Daulton: BUT THE FRIDAY'S SIGNS WERE NOT DIRECTLY ON [Captioner] 19:34:12 THE FREEWAY, I DON'T THINK [Captioner] 19:34:15 . >> Commissioner Yee: THAT'S CORRECT, THEY'RE ON THE BUILDING. [Captioner] 19:34:18 >> Commissioner Daulton: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M LOOK [Captioner] 19:34:21 ING AT THIS PROJECT, AND I'M STILL SEEING IT AS [Captioner] 19:34:24 A PRECEDENT, TO WHAT STAFF MENTIONED THAT [Captioner] 19:34:27 THERE ARE TEN POTENTIAL SITES THAT COULD HAVE THIS TYPE [Captioner] 19:34:31 OF SIGNAGE AGAINST THE FREEWAY. [Captioner] 19:34:34 I DON'T KNOW, I HONESTLY, TO [Captioner] 19:34:37 ME WE HAVE A SOMEWHAT [Captioner] 19:34:41 UNENCUMBERED STRETCH OF FREEWAY HERE, I [Captioner] 19:34:44 THINK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WE SHOULD YOU [Captioner] 19:34:47 KNOW PROTECT THAT. [Captioner] 19:34:50 THERE ARE TOWNS ALL OVER THE PENINSULA [Captioner] 19:34:54 THAT DISALLOW THIS KIND OF SIGNAGE NEXT TO THE FREEWAY [Captioner] 19:34:58 BECAUSE THE SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE [Captioner] 19:35:02 IS PICTURESQUE AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE [Captioner] 19:35:05 IS AN ACTUAL SCENE [Captioner] 19:35:08 IC DESIGNATION TO THE HIGHWAY, I [Captioner] 19:35:11 DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD DISAGREE THIS IS A [Captioner] 19:35:14 LOVELY STRETCH OF ROAD. YES COMMISSIONER YEE PLEASE. >> Commissioner Yee: [Captioner] 19:35:18 I ONLY WANT TO REINFORCE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE I BELIEVE [Captioner] 19:35:21 THE SAME THING TOO, THAT THIS WOULD SET [Captioner] 19:35:24 A PRECEDENCE BECAUSE IF THIS SIGN GOES IN THERE [Captioner] 19:35:27 WOULD BE OTHERS THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE APPLYING FOR AS WELL. AS I [Captioner] 19:35:30 SAID EARLIER THEY ALREADY HAVE A SIGN THAT IS ON THE BACK SIDE OF THAT [Captioner] 19:35:34 BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY FACING 680. AND I WOULD THINK [Captioner] 19:35:37 THAT MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE USING THEIR [Captioner] 19:35:40 GPS ANY [Captioner] 19:35:44 HOW TO FIND THE LOCATION OF THIS FACILITY WHICH I WILL REINFORCE [Captioner] 19:35:48 ABSOLUTELY LOOKS YOU BEAUTIFUL AND IT WAS DONE VERY NICE [Captioner] 19:35:51 LY. BUT AS YOU COME DOWN OSGOOD [Captioner] 19:35:55 YOU CAN'T MISS IT. AND EVEN WHEN I WAS ON 6 [Captioner] 19:35:58 80 GOING NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND YOU CAN'T MISS IT. YOU [Captioner] 19:36:01 CAN SEE THE EQUIPMENT WHAT'S BACK THERE, YOU HAVE AN [Captioner] 19:36:04 IDEA WHAT IT IS AND ESPECIALLY WITH THAT PAPE SIGN THAT IS ALREADY [Captioner] 19:36:07 IN THE BACK YOU COULD SEE IT EITHER NORTH [Captioner] 19:36:10 OR SOUTHBOUND ALREADY. [Captioner] 19:36:13 >> Planner Pullen: CHAIR I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT YOU [Captioner] 19:36:16 SAID DURING THE COMMENTS. >> Commissioner Daulton: GO AHEAD JOEL. [Captioner] 19:36:20 >> Planner Pullen: ONE OF THE SIGNS THAT COMMISSIONER YEE USED [Captioner] 19:36:23 WAS BILLBOARD. I DO WANT TO DRAW A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THIS SIGN [Captioner] 19:36:26 AND THE B [Captioner] 19:36:29 BILLBOARD. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY BILLBOARDS THAT HAVE BEEN [Captioner] 19:36:33 APPROVED IN THE LAST LONG LONG LONG TIME, YEARS. A [Captioner] 19:36:36 BILLBOARD IS SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES OFFSITE ADVERTISING, IT IS [Captioner] 19:36:39 A DISTINCTIVE SEPARATE USE OF [Captioner] 19:36:42 PROPERTY THAT'S INTENDED FOR, YOU KNOW, [Captioner] 19:36:46 GENERAL MESSAGES LIKE YOU SEE IN NEWARK ON 880 [Captioner] 19:36:49 AND ON 84, ET CETERA. THEY HAD A DEAL WITH THE [Captioner] 19:36:52 BILLBOARD COMPANY IN THAT RESPECT. THIS SIGN WOULD BE RESTRICTED [Captioner] 19:36:55 TO ONSITE ADVERTISING AND ISN'T CONSIDERED A BILLBOARD [Captioner] 19:36:59 AS OUR SIGN CODE DESCRIBES IT. IT'S NOT CHANGEABILITY [Captioner] 19:37:02 IN THAT SENSE WHERE IT CYCLES [Captioner] 19:37:06 CYCLES MESSAGES THAT CAN VARY. AND [Captioner] 19:37:09 SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION CAN [Captioner] 19:37:12 CONSIDER THAT THIS ISN'T -- ISN'T AS [Captioner] 19:37:15 INTRUSIVE AS THAT TYPE OF SIGN. THE OTHER THING I [Captioner] 19:37:19 DID WANT TO MENTION IS, [Captioner] 19:37:22 AND DONOVAN AND THE APPLICANT AND JAMES ALL SORT OF [Captioner] 19:37:26 MENTIONED THIS. THE LAST TIME WE HAD A PRETTY ROBUST [Captioner] 19:37:29 DISCUSSION ABOUT 680 UP AND DOWN [Captioner] 19:37:33 THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN FREMONT ALL THE WAY DOWN [Captioner] 19:37:37 TO MISSION MCDONALD AND THE [Captioner] 19:37:41 CREEK AND THINKING OF WHERE THIS SIGN MIGHT GO [Captioner] 19:37:44 . I DO NOTE THAT THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS DON'T [Captioner] 19:37:47 ALLOW SIGNS. THE ONLY ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS UP AGAINST THE [Captioner] 19:37:50 FREEWAY STRETCHES FROM THE STORAGE PLACE AT THE CURVE [Captioner] 19:37:53 OF 680 JUST NORTH OF THE PAPE SIGN TO [Captioner] 19:37:56 WESTERN DIGITAL. AND THE POINT OF THE APPLICATION [Captioner] 19:37:59 WAS THAT IN TERMS OF SETTING PRECEDENT, THOSE [Captioner] 19:38:03 OTHER SITES, AGAIN NOT [Captioner] 19:38:07 INCLUDING FRY'S WHICH IS COMMERCIAL, THOSE OTHER [Captioner] 19:38:10 SITES AREN'T SITUATED SUCH THAT A SIGN IS [Captioner] 19:38:13 APPROPRIATE AND DON'T HAVE THE CONSTRAINTS THAT THIS [Captioner] 19:38:16 SIGN, THIS SITE HAS. SO THAT'S MY [Captioner] 19:38:19 SORT OF WRAP-UP ON THE CASE FOR [Captioner] 19:38:23 THE RECOMMENDATION. >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU JOEL [Captioner] 19:38:26 . COMMISSIONER BASRAI. >> Commissioner Basrai: AND JUST [Captioner] 19:38:29 SPEAKING IN TERMS OF PRECEDENT, MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, [Captioner] 19:38:32 WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE [Captioner] 19:38:36 ACCOMMODATION OF A CITY THAT IS BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND FAMILY [Captioner] 19:38:39 FRIENDLY. AND IF WE'RE GOODS TO SET PRECEDENTS THAT [Captioner] 19:38:42 YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE YOUR OWN BUSINESS ON YOUR OWN [Captioner] 19:38:45 LAND IS MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS. I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A [Captioner] 19:38:48 REALLY GOOD JOB IN ADDRESSING THEIR [Captioner] 19:38:52 CONCERNS THAT WE HAD. I MEAN WE ALSO HAVE [Captioner] 19:38:56 LIKE ELECTRICAL LINES THERE, THAT'S NOT VERY PRETTY EITHER. SO PUTTING [Captioner] 19:38:59 UP A SIGN IS, TO [Captioner] 19:39:02 ME JUST PART OF DOING BUSINESS. [Captioner] 19:39:06 AND, YOU KNOW, WE LET [Captioner] 19:39:10 THE ELECTRICAL LINES GO UP THERE. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- [Captioner] 19:39:13 MY CONCERN IS THAT OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MAY MOVE IN WHEN [Captioner] 19:39:16 LET'S SAY ONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS MOVES OUR, WILL WE [Captioner] 19:39:20 BE SET BEING A PRECEDENT THAT [Captioner] 19:39:23 WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE GETTING [Captioner] 19:39:26 SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN THAT WILL BE PROVIDING THE SAME KIND OF [Captioner] 19:39:30 ECONOMIC SUPPORT FOR FREMONT WHICH ONE OF THESE BUSINESSES IS [Captioner] 19:39:33 , BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED THEY CAN'T PUT UP A SIGN THAT [Captioner] 19:39:36 THEY'RE HERE. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS SAYING [Captioner] 19:39:39 , WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT WE CAN [Captioner] 19:39:42 -- LIKE JOEL SAID IT'S NOT A BILLBOARD. [Captioner] 19:39:45 IT IS ADVERTISING YOUR BUSINESS ON YOUR LAND WHERE YOU [Captioner] 19:39:49 HAVE ABSOLUTE -- YOU HAVE AUTHORITY OVER JUST BECAUSE IT [Captioner] 19:39:52 OVERLOOKS A FREEWAY, IS MY CONCERN [Captioner] 19:39:56 THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD BE [Captioner] 19:39:59 REMISS TO WANT TO TAKE THE PROPERTY MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S [Captioner] 19:40:02 ONE OF MY CONCERNS BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FREEWAY [Captioner] 19:40:07 PRECEDENT. THIS IS MORE OF A PRPBILITY THAT WE'RE SETTING [Captioner] 19:40:10 FOR BUSINESSES, YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE ON YOUR OWN PIECE OF PROPERTY [Captioner] 19:40:13 . >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU [Captioner] 19:40:17 . MR. [Captioner] 19:40:22 ZHANG PLEASE. [Captioner] 19:40:30 >> Commissioner Zhang: MY CONCERN IS, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE [Captioner] 19:40:33 PROBLEMS PUTTING THE SIGN ON OSGOOD SIDE WHICH IS [Captioner] 19:40:38 LESS TRAFFIC OF COURSE. BUT THE PROBLEM HERE [Captioner] 19:40:41 FOR ME IS THAT [Captioner] 19:40:45 IN IT KIND OF AS [Captioner] 19:40:48 A PER SIGN PROPERTY, I ALSO VISITED THE [Captioner] 19:40:51 MCDONALD SIGN AS WELL. I DON'T THINK ANY -- WE [Captioner] 19:40:55 CAN SEE THE MCDONALD SIGN FROM 680 AT ALL [Captioner] 19:40:58 . THIS IS -- IF THIS SIGN SET UP IT [Captioner] 19:41:02 WOULD BE DEFINITELY THE FIRST ONE THAT I [Captioner] 19:41:05 -- I HAVE PASSED BY THAT SITE MANY TIMES AFTER [Captioner] 19:41:08 THIS FEBRUARY MEETING. THIS GOING [Captioner] 19:41:11 TO HAVE SOME [Captioner] 19:41:15 LIKE I REALLY WANT TO PRESERVE THIS KIND [Captioner] 19:41:19 OF A SIGNAGE [Captioner] 19:41:22 FACTOR OF 680, NEVER BEEN [Captioner] 19:41:25 , FIRST ONE I HAVE HAD [Captioner] 19:41:28 A CERTAINLY FOR. THANK YOU. >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU [Captioner] 19:41:31 . COMMISSIONER STECKLER PLEASE. >> Commissioner Steckler: THANK [Captioner] 19:41:34 YOU. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BASRAI. [Captioner] 19:41:37 HER COMMENTS. AND I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN THIS FIRST [Captioner] 19:41:40 CAME TO US IN FEBRUARY, [Captioner] 19:41:44 WE VOICED OUR CONCERNS AND OBJECTION [Captioner] 19:41:47 S. AND I THINK THAT [Captioner] 19:41:51 THIS, THE LAND OWNER OR BUSINESS OWNER AND THE [Captioner] 19:41:54 STAFF WENT BACK AND DID A COMMENDABLE [Captioner] 19:41:57 JOB IN ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD [Captioner] 19:42:01 . A GUESS THE BEAUTY [Captioner] 19:42:05 IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER BUT THAT STRETCH OF [Captioner] 19:42:08 680 IS NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL BEAUTIFUL. [Captioner] 19:42:11 IT'S A FREEWAY. WITH [Captioner] 19:42:14 155,000 CARS A DAY GOING DOWN IT [Captioner] 19:42:18 . AT ABOUT 70 OR 75 MILES AN [Captioner] 19:42:21 HOUR. AND I DON'T THINK [Captioner] 19:42:24 THEY'RE LOOKING AT TREES AND BUSHES. I THINK THEY'RE [Captioner] 19:42:27 LOOKING AHEAD. SO [Captioner] 19:42:31 ALTHOUGH CERTAINLY HAS TREES AND PLANTS AND SO ON, [Captioner] 19:42:34 SO FORTH, BUT I [Captioner] 19:42:37 THINK THE APPLICANT DID A COMMENDABLE [Captioner] 19:42:40 JOB. I THINK THAT THE [Captioner] 19:42:44 APPLICANT EXPLAINED THE [Captioner] 19:42:48 IMPORTANCE TO THEIR [Captioner] 19:42:52 BUSINESS THAT THAT SIGN WILL PROVIDE. [Captioner] 19:42:56 AND OUR OWN STAFF AND [Captioner] 19:42:59 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT [Captioner] 19:43:02 BROUGHT FORWARD SOME GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS [Captioner] 19:43:05 OF THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT [Captioner] 19:43:09 I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIGN [Captioner] 19:43:13 . SO BUT THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. [Captioner] 19:43:14 >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. [Captioner] 19:43:19 ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION, PLEASE [Captioner] 19:43:22 ? COMMISSIONER LIU PLEASE. GO AHEAD. [Captioner] 19:43:25 >> Commissioner Liu: OKAY. I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW TODAY ABOUT EACH [Captioner] 19:43:28 ADDITIONAL SIGN THAT THE BUSINESS PUT UP [Captioner] 19:43:32 WOULD GENERATE 4.75% [Captioner] 19:43:35 MORE BUSINESS, THAT'S WONDERFUL. I THINK AS [Captioner] 19:43:38 A GOOD TAXPAYER AND REVENUE GENERATOR FOR [Captioner] 19:43:42 CITY OF FREMONT, THAT SEEMS TO BE A [Captioner] 19:43:45 GOOD THING FOR THEM TO DO. [Captioner] 19:43:48 HOWEVER, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS [Captioner] 19:43:52 ABOUT ILLUMINATED [Captioner] 19:43:55 SIGNS MAKING THIS PART OF 680 [Captioner] 19:43:58 TOO COMMERCIAL-LOOKING. I JUST LIKE TO MAINTAIN [Captioner] 19:44:03 THE EXISTING [Captioner] 19:44:08 MORE QUOTE UNQUOTE RULE, UNDEVELOPED, QUOTE [Captioner] 19:44:11 UNQUOTE, UNDEVELOPABLE PART OF THE [Captioner] 19:44:14 FREEWAY AT LEAST AT KNIGHT. [Captioner] 19:44:17 NIGHT. SO IF WE CAN FIND A [Captioner] 19:44:20 MIDDLE GROUND BY MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO GET RID [Captioner] 19:44:23 OF THE ILLUMINATION I WOULD SUPPORT IT. [Captioner] 19:44:28 >> Commissioner Daulton: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU SIR. [Captioner] 19:44:33 IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'M GOING TO ASK [Captioner] 19:44:36 FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. IF I CAN GET A [Captioner] 19:44:40 MOTION. CAN I GET A MOTION? [Captioner] 19:44:46 >> Commissioner Liu: WELL, I WOULD MOVE TO [Captioner] 19:44:51 AMEND THE STAFF [Captioner] 19:44:54 'S RECOMMENDATION TO ELIMINATE THE [Captioner] 19:44:57 ILLUMINATION. OKAY, JOEL [Captioner] 19:45:00 ? >> Planner Pullen: YES, CHAIR, IF -- I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT [Captioner] 19:45:03 IF WE DO [Captioner] 19:45:07 ASK THE APPLICANT TO DO SOMETHING, I THINK WE SHOULD CHECK [Captioner] 19:45:10 IN WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT [Captioner] 19:45:13 THAT OR NOT. WHICH COULD INFORM [Captioner] 19:45:17 YOUR OPTIONS NIGHT. IF YOU MAKE [Captioner] 19:45:21 A RECOMMENDATION OF SOMETHING [Captioner] 19:45:24 THEY'RE UNWILLING TO DO, WELL, CAN YOU DO THAT. IT'S UP [Captioner] 19:45:27 TO YOU. [Captioner] 19:45:30 AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THE VOTE GOES, I GUESS. [Captioner] 19:45:37 >> Commissioner Liu: SO DOES IT MEAN WE CAN BRING THE APPLICANT BACK [Captioner] 19:45:40 ? >> Commissioner Daulton: WE HAVE A MOTION -- [Captioner] 19:45:43 >> Planner Pullen: GO AHEAD. >> Commissioner Daulton: WE DO HAVE [Captioner] 19:45:46 A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AT THE MOMENT WHICH IS [Captioner] 19:45:50 TO AMEND THE [Captioner] 19:45:53 APPLICANT PROPOSAL TO ELIMINATE THE ILL [Captioner] 19:45:56 ILLUMINATED ASPECT OF THIS SIGN [Captioner] 19:45:59 . IS THERE A SECOND? [Captioner] 19:46:03 >> Commissioner Basrai: I'LL SECOND. [Captioner] 19:46:06 >> Commissioner Daulton: SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BASRAI. [Captioner] 19:46:09 JOEL WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS. [Captioner] 19:46:13 >> Planner Pullen: WHEN YOU HEAR YOUR NAME ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE [Captioner] 19:46:16 THE RECOMMENDATION, [Captioner] 19:46:20 WITH THE PROVISO THAT THE SIGN NOT [Captioner] 19:46:23 BE ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT, IS IT AT NIGHT OR AT ALL [Captioner] 19:46:26 ? >> Commissioner Liu: THAT MEANS NO ILLUMINATION. [Captioner] 19:46:29 DURING THE DAY I DON'T SEE A REASON TO ILLUMINATE [Captioner] 19:46:32 IT. >> Planner Pullen: OKAY. PLEASE VOTE ON THAT [Captioner] 19:46:35 MOTION AS STATED. CHAIRPERSON [Captioner] 19:46:39 DAULTON. >> Commissioner Daulton: NO. [Captioner] 19:46:42 >> Planner Pullen: VICE CHAIR RAO. >> Commissioner Rao: NO. [Captioner] 19:46:48 >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER YEE. >> Commissioner Yee: NO. [Captioner] 19:46:52 >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER STECKLER. >> Commissioner Steckler: NO [Captioner] 19:46:55 . >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER LIU [Captioner] 19:46:58 . >> Commissioner Liu: YES. >> Planner Pullen: [Captioner] 19:47:02 AND [Captioner] 19:47:08 COMMISSIONER ZHANG. NO. >> Planner Pullen: AND COMMISSIONER [Captioner] 19:47:11 BASRAI. >> Commissioner Basrai: YES. >> Planner Pullen: THE VOTE IS [Captioner] 19:47:16 TWO IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION AND FIVE AGAINST THAT MOTION, IT [Captioner] 19:47:19 FAILS. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THE VOTES ON THIS. [Captioner] 19:47:22 IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO WELL, MAKE [Captioner] 19:47:25 ANOTHER MOTION WE CAN KEEP GOING HERE. [Captioner] 19:47:30 >> Commissioner Daulton: DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION [Captioner] 19:47:34 ? >> Commissioner Steckler: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A [Captioner] 19:47:37 MOTION. >> Commissioner Daulton: GO AHEAD [Captioner] 19:47:45 COMMISSIONER STECKLER. >> Commissioner Steckler: I'D MOVE THAT [Captioner] 19:47:48 WE ACCEPT [Captioner] 19:47:51 STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> Commissioner Daulton: DO WE HAVE A SECOND? [Captioner] 19:47:54 NO SECOND? >> Commissioner Basrai: I'LL SECOND [Captioner] 19:47:57 . >> Commissioner Daulton: JOEL DO YOU WANT TOO START THIS ONE? [Captioner] 19:48:00 >> Planner Pullen: YES CHAIR. STARTING ON [Captioner] 19:48:03 CHAIR DAULTON, ON THE STAFF [Captioner] 19:48:06 RECOMMENDATION AS TAUGHTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> Commissioner Daulton: [Captioner] 19:48:10 NO. >> Planner Pullen: VICE CHAIR RAO [Captioner] 19:48:14 , RIVERA NO. >> Planner Pullen: [Captioner] 19:48:16 COMMISSIONER YEE. >> Commissioner Yee: NO. [Captioner] 19:48:20 >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER STECKLER. [Captioner] 19:48:23 >> Commissioner Steckler: YES. >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER LIU [Captioner] 19:48:26 . >> Commissioner Liu: NO. [Captioner] 19:48:29 >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER ZHANG. [Captioner] 19:48:33 >> Commissioner Zhang: NO. >> Planner Pullen: AND COMMISSIONER [Captioner] 19:48:37 BASRAI. >> Commissioner Basrai: YES. >> Planner Pullen: AND THE VOTE IS [Captioner] 19:48:41 SIMILARLY TWO FOR AND FIVE AGAINST [Captioner] 19:48:45 , STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. >> Commissioner Daulton: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. [Captioner] 19:48:48 I'M SORRY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? [Captioner] 19:48:51 >> Commissioner Steckler: COMMISSIONER, CHAIR, IF I CAN MAKE [Captioner] 19:48:56 ANOTHER MOTION. THAT WE TABLE THIS [Captioner] 19:48:59 ISSUE AND SEND IT BACK TO STAFF [Captioner] 19:49:02 AND THE APPLICANT [Captioner] 19:49:05 TO SEE IF THEY [Captioner] 19:49:08 CAN WORK OUT A NONILLUMINATE [Captioner] 19:49:12 ED SIGN. AND IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE TO [Captioner] 19:49:15 MAYBE REDUCE IT ANY FURTHER THAN THEY HAVE SO FAR, AND [Captioner] 19:49:18 THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION [Captioner] 19:49:22 . >> Commissioner Liu: I SECOND THAT [Captioner] 19:49:25 . >> Commissioner Daulton: SO THAT'S A MOTION [Captioner] 19:49:29 BY COMMISSIONER STECKLER TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO STAFF FOR FURTHER LOOK AT [Captioner] 19:49:32 IT. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING CRAIG? [Captioner] 19:49:35 >> Commissioner Steckler: WELL, YES, I WANT [Captioner] 19:49:39 THE RECOMMENDATION COMING THROUGH, THE DISCUSSION WAS [Captioner] 19:49:42 THE ILLUMINATION OF THE SIGN. >> Commissioner Daulton: UH-HUH [Captioner] 19:49:44 . >> Commissioner Steckler: AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO HEAR FROM THE [Captioner] 19:49:48 APPLICANTS ON WHETHER THAT'S EVEN AN ACCEPTABLE OPTION [Captioner] 19:49:51 . SO I'D LIKE TO JUST SEND IT BACK TO THE APPLICANT AND HAVE [Captioner] 19:49:54 HIM ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS. >> Commissioner Daulton: OKAY. [Captioner] 19:49:57 SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THIS ITEM BACK TO STAFF AND [Captioner] 19:50:00 THE APPLICANT TO ASSESS THE [Captioner] 19:50:03 FEASIBILITY OF AN UNLIT SIGN. AND WE HAVE A [Captioner] 19:50:07 SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER LIU I DO BELIEVE [Captioner] 19:50:11 . >> Commissioner Yee: I THINK JOEL HAD HIS HAND UP. [Captioner] 19:50:14 >> Planner Pullen: CHAIR. I WANT TO STATE, THE APPLICANT [Captioner] 19:50:17 HAS STATED TO US THAT THEY WOULD LIKE A DECISION BY [Captioner] 19:50:20 THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. YOU'RE IN YOUR [Captioner] 19:50:23 PURVIEW TO TAKE A VARIETY OF ACTIONS. JUST NOTE [Captioner] 19:50:26 THAT WE SENT THE APPLICANT TO DO WORK IN FEBRUARY I [Captioner] 19:50:30 BELIEVE AND IT'S BEEN ABOUT TEN MONTHS. I THINK [Captioner] 19:50:33 IT'S -- IT WOULD BE [Captioner] 19:50:37 REASONABLE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY ARE OPEN [Captioner] 19:50:40 TO A FELON ILLUMINATED SIGN [Captioner] 19:50:47 NONILLUMINATE [Captioner] 19:50:50 ED SIGN, THEY DO HAVE SOME DESIRE [Captioner] 19:50:53 TO MOVE FORWARD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. >> Commissioner Daulton: LET ME [Captioner] 19:50:57 UNDERSTAND, YOU WANT US TO BRING THE [Captioner] 19:51:01 PUBLIC MEETING BACK AND SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT [Captioner] 19:51:03 ? >> Planner Pullen: I THINK IT'S PRUDENT. [Captioner] 19:51:06 >> Commissioner Daulton: I'M GOING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE MOMENT SO [Captioner] 19:51:10 WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE LIT SIGN [Captioner] 19:51:13 TO THE APPLICANT PLEASE, SOMEONE FROM PAPE TO SPEAK [Captioner] 19:51:16 TO US ON THAT. >> YES, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. WE WOULD [Captioner] 19:51:19 NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH A NONILLUMINATED SIGN [Captioner] 19:51:22 . VM [Captioner] 19:51:26 >> Commissioner Daulton: OKAY ACCOUNTABLE THANK YOU. AGAIN I'M GOING [Captioner] 19:51:29 TO CLOSE THE MEETING. I BELIEVE WE HAVE HAD A MOTION AND A [Captioner] 19:51:32 ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ITEM. DO WE NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER [Captioner] 19:51:36 HERE? I DON'T THINK SO. [Captioner] 19:51:39 >> Planner Pullen: YES. SO I THINK THE -- WE [Captioner] 19:51:43 NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION TONIGHT OF SOME [Captioner] 19:51:46 KIND. [Captioner] 19:51:50 AND WHATEVER WE DO -- >> Commissioner Daulton: I THINK WE [Captioner] 19:51:53 DID DENY STAFF RECOMMENDATION WHICH IS A DETERMINATION, IS THAT RIGHT [Captioner] 19:51:56 ? >> Planner Pullen: YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN A VOTE ON THAT. [Captioner] 19:51:59 YOU HAD TWO FAILED VOTES TO APPROVE TWO ITERATION [Captioner] 19:52:02 S OF THE SIGN, WITH AND [Captioner] 19:52:05 WITHOUT ILLUMINATION. AND SO IF YOU -- I THINK [Captioner] 19:52:08 -- >> Commissioner Daulton: WAIT, CRAIG'S MOTION WAS TO [Captioner] 19:52:11 APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> Commissioner Yee: RECOMMENDATION EXACTLY. [Captioner] 19:52:13 >> Commissioner Daulton: AND IT WAS VOTED DOWN. [Captioner] 19:52:19 >> Planner Pullen: CITY ATTORNEY, IF I COULD GET YOUR HELP HERE, WE DON'T HAVE [Captioner] 19:52:23 -- WE HAVEN'T ARTICULATED FINDINGS THAT [Captioner] 19:52:26 WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THE APPLICANT [Captioner] 19:52:30 TO CONSIDER IN THE DENIAL. CAN YOU WEIGH [Captioner] 19:52:33 IN ON WHERE WE'RE AT? >> YES, I THINK [Captioner] 19:52:36 IT WOULD BE PRUDENT, I THINK YOU HAVE TWO FAILED MOTION [Captioner] 19:52:39 , YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION RECOMMENDING [Captioner] 19:52:42 DENIAL SO I THINK IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION IT [Captioner] 19:52:45 WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION AND ARTICULATE [Captioner] 19:52:49 THE BASIS FOR THAT MOTION. >> Commissioner Daulton: [Captioner] 19:52:52 THANK YOU. I MOVE TO DENY STAFF [Captioner] 19:52:55 RECOMMENDING. CAN I GET A SECOND? >> Commissioner Liu: SECOND [Captioner] 19:52:59 . >> Commissioner Daulton: JOEL CAN YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL VOTE [Captioner] 19:53:02 VOTE? >> Planner Pullen: YES, BEFORE WE DO [Captioner] 19:53:05 THAT I DO WANT TO RETURN TO THE [Captioner] 19:53:08 REPORT BECAUSE I DO WANT TO RESTATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN [Captioner] 19:53:12 MADE HERE FOR THE PURPOSE OF IDENTIFYING [Captioner] 19:53:15 THE COMMISSION'S OPINIONS AS DRIVING [Captioner] 19:53:18 THE MOTION. SO THERE ARE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT [Captioner] 19:53:22 THERE ARE FOUR FINDINGS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT [Captioner] 19:53:26 THAT ARE STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WITH STAFF [Captioner] 19:53:29 'S COMMENTS. ONE OF THEM IS APPROPRIATENESS [Captioner] 19:53:32 WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, ZONING AND [Captioner] 19:53:36 ADOPTED DESIGN RULES, ONE IS PHYSICAL SUITABILITY [Captioner] 19:53:39 OF THE SITE FOR THE TYPE OF USE. ONE OF THEM IS THE DESIGN [Captioner] 19:53:42 OF THE [Captioner] 19:53:46 IMPROVEMENTS, IN THIS CASE THE SIGN. AND THE LAST ONE IS [Captioner] 19:53:49 NOT BEING DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE [Captioner] 19:53:52 . WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION WAS THAT [Captioner] 19:53:55 , AND I WILL READ THE NOTES I TOOK. AND YOU CAN TELL [Captioner] 19:53:59 ME, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND SECONDER, WHETHER [Captioner] 19:54:02 THESE ARE WHAT YOU'RE BASING ON OR SOMETHING ELSE. BUT [Captioner] 19:54:06 I HEARD THAT THERE'S ALREADY SUFFICIENT SIGNAGE IN THE FORM [Captioner] 19:54:09 OF THE SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING. THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THIS SETTING [Captioner] 19:54:12 A PRECEDENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR. AND THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT [Captioner] 19:54:24 THE SPECIFIC LOCATION OF THE SIGN AND ITS SITE NEAR THE FREE BAY. >> Planner Pullen: . [Captioner] 19:54:27 IS THAT ACCURATE? >> Commissioner Daulton: [Captioner] 19:54:30 I'M GOING TO ADD THAT SPECIFICALLY, THE DESIGN OF THE SIGN [Captioner] 19:54:33 AS AN ILLUMINATED SIGN WAS CONSIDERED TO BE IN [Captioner] 19:54:37 APPROPRIATE. >> Planner Pullen: OKAY SO I HAVE THOSE FOUR THINGS AND [Captioner] 19:54:41 THOSE DO FIT IN TO THE FINDINGS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT [Captioner] 19:54:45 . WITH I THINK THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WAS [Captioner] 19:54:48 CHAIR DAULTON AND THEN THE SECONDER DOES SECONDER AGREE WITH [Captioner] 19:54:51 THOSE FINDINGS? >> Commissioner Daulton: WAS [Captioner] 19:54:55 THAT COMMISSIONER YEE? >> Commissioner Liu: I SECONDED. >> Commissioner Daulton: YOU [Captioner] 19:54:58 SECONDED, YES ARE THOSE FINDINGS OKAY WITH [Captioner] 19:55:02 YOU COMMISSIONER ZHANG [Captioner] 19:55:06 ZHANG? >> Commissioner Zhang: YES. >> Planner Pullen: THANK YOU FOR [Captioner] 19:55:10 BEARING WITH ME WHILE I MAKE SURE OUR RECORD IS CORRECT [Captioner] 19:55:13 . CHAIR DAULTON ON THAT MOTION WHAT IS YOUR VOTE [Captioner] 19:55:16 ? >> Commissioner Daulton: AYE. >> Planner Pullen: VICE [Captioner] 19:55:19 CHAIR RAO. >> Commissioner Rao: AYE. [Captioner] 19:55:22 >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER YEE. [Captioner] 19:55:25 YES. >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER STECKLER [Captioner] 19:55:28 . >> Commissioner Steckler: TO. >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER [Captioner] 19:55:31 LIU. >> Commissioner Liu: NO. [Captioner] 19:55:34 >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER ZHANG. [Captioner] 19:55:37 >> Commissioner Zhang: EYE. >> Planner Pullen: AND COMMISSIONER BASRAI. [Captioner] 19:55:39 >> Commissioner Basrai: NO. >> Planner Pullen: THE VOTE ON THAT [Captioner] 19:55:42 ITEM IS 4-3. THE MOTION PASSES. THE [Captioner] 19:55:46 COMMISSION'S ACTION ON THIS ACTION IS FINAL [Captioner] 19:55:49 AS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNLESS IT IS APPEALED TO THE [Captioner] 19:55:52 CITY COUNCIL WITHIN TEN DAYS. BACK TO YOU CHAIR [Captioner] 19:55:55 . >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU JOEL. [Captioner] 19:55:58 I BELIEVE WE CAN GO ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE [Captioner] 19:56:01 TO INTRODUCE THE AT&T WIRELESS COMMUNICATION POLE [Captioner] 19:56:04 AT THORNTON. [Captioner] 19:56:13 >> Planner Pullen: WILL DO. THE SECOND ITEM IS THE [Captioner] 19:56:17 AT&T WIRELESS COMMUNICATION POLE AT [Captioner] 19:56:20 4771 THORNTON [Captioner] 19:56:23 AVENUE, TO CONSIDER A CONDITIONAL USE [Captioner] 19:56:25 PERMIT AND DISCRETIONARY DESIGN REVIEW TO INSTALL A NEW 70 FOOT TALL STEALTH WIRELESS [Captioner] 19:56:29 COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY AT THE EXISTING SELF STORAGE FACILITY LOCATE [Captioner] 19:56:32 ED AT THE AFOREMENTIONED ADDRESS [Captioner] 19:56:37 , IN THE CENTERVILLE COMMUNITY [Captioner] 19:56:40 PLAN AREA, AND TO CONSIDER A [Captioner] 19:56:44 FINDINGS UNDER [Captioner] 19:56:47 15303 [Captioner] 19:56:50 AND [Captioner] 19:56:55 NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES, CEQA GUIDELINES SECTION [Captioner] 19:56:59 15332, IN-FILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AND CEQA GUIDELINES SECTION [Captioner] 19:57:04 15183. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO JOEL [Captioner] 19:57:07 . YOU HAVE SOME PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU [Captioner] 19:57:10 JOEL. GOOD EVENING AGAIN COMMISSIONERS. [Captioner] 19:57:14 THE PROJECT BEFORE IF COMMISSION THIS EVENING IS THE AT&T [Captioner] 19:57:18 WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS POLE THORNTON PROJECT. LOCAT [Captioner] 19:57:21 ED AT 4771 [Captioner] 19:57:24 THORNTON AVENUE IN THE CENTERVILLE COMMUNITY PLAN AREA [Captioner] 19:57:28 . THE PROPOSED PROJECT [Captioner] 19:57:31 WOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND [Captioner] 19:57:35 A DISCRETIONARY DESIGN REVIEW. [Captioner] 19:57:41 THE THE PROJECT SITE IS AN EXISTING [Captioner] 19:57:44 SELF STORAGE FACILITY ON THORNTON AFTERNOON [Captioner] 19:57:47 . THE PROPERTY IS CONSIDERED GENERAL [Captioner] 19:57:50 COMMERCIAL IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE PLAN IS [Captioner] 19:57:54 GENERAL COMMERCIAL. A WIRELESS POLE IS LOWFERRED IN THE [Captioner] 19:57:57 CD ZONING DISTRICT SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION [Captioner] 19:58:00 'S CONSIDERATION OF THE PROJECT IS GOVERNED BY BOTH [Captioner] 19:58:04 THE CITY GOANG REGULATIONS AND THE FEDERAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT. [Captioner] 19:58:08 UNDER THE CITY'S REGULATION [Captioner] 19:58:12 S THE PLAN MUST [Captioner] 19:58:15 BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN FOR SITE AND COMPLY FOR [Captioner] 19:58:18 THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN FREMONT MIPT [Captioner] 19:58:22 CHAPTER 18.187 AND CHAPTER 4 [Captioner] 19:58:25 OF THE CITYWIDE DESIGN GUIDELINES. [Captioner] 19:58:29 THE FEDERAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT LIMITS THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION [Captioner] 19:58:32 OF THE PROJECT UNDERTHESE LOCAL STANDARDS [Captioner] 19:58:35 , AND PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM EITHER CONDITIONING OR [Captioner] 19:58:39 DENYING THE PROJECT BASED ON CONCERNS STEMMING FROM THE [Captioner] 19:58:42 ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF RADIO FREQUENCY EMISSIONS IF THE [Captioner] 19:58:46 PROPOSED FACILITY COMPLIES WITH FEDERAL STANDARDS. FURTHERMORE [Captioner] 19:58:49 , FEDERAL LAW PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM DENYING THE [Captioner] 19:58:52 PROJECT, IF THE FACILITY IS NECESSARY TO FILL A [Captioner] 19:58:56 SIGNIFICANT SERVICE GAP IN THE APPLICANT'S WIRELESS NETWORK [Captioner] 19:58:59 , AND THE FACILITY IS THE LEAST [Captioner] 19:59:02 INTRUSIVE MEANS OF FILLING THE SERVICE GAP [Captioner] 19:59:06 GAP. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED COVERAGE MAPS [Captioner] 19:59:09 SHOWING THERE TO BE A [Captioner] 19:59:13 GAP IN THIS COVERAGE IN THIS AREA AND THE [Captioner] 19:59:17 STEALTH DESIGN IS [Captioner] 19:59:21 THE LEAST INTRUSIVE [Captioner] 19:59:24 DESIGN CONSIDERING THE FACILITIES IN THE AREA. [Captioner] 19:59:27 THE SITE SKITS OF 1. [Captioner] 19:59:31 83 ACRES OR 73 [Captioner] 19:59:35 ,,000 FEET IN THE [Captioner] 19:59:38 AREA. MAIN SELF STORAGE [Captioner] 19:59:41 BUILDING AS REQUIRED BY THE FREMONT WIRELESS ORDINANCE THE [Captioner] 19:59:44 PROPOSED WIRELESS FACILITY WOULD BE LOCATED AT LEAST 100 [Captioner] 19:59:47 FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. [Captioner] 19:59:52 . THE [Captioner] 19:59:55 APPLICANT SELECTED A MONOPINE [Captioner] 19:59:59 STEALTH WIRELESS DESIGN DUE TO THE EXISTING PINE TREES ON [Captioner] 20:00:02 THE PROJECT SITE AND ACROSS THE STREET. THESE EXISTING TREES [Captioner] 20:00:05 WOULD HELP THE MONOPINE POLE [Captioner] 20:00:08 BLEND INTO THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED POLE WOULD BE [Captioner] 20:00:11 70 FEET TALL TO ALLOW THE ANTENNAS [Captioner] 20:00:15 TO FILL IN THE COVERAGE GAP WHILE STILL PROVIDING [Captioner] 20:00:18 A REALISTIC TREE DESIGN. WITH BRANCHES EXTEND [Captioner] 20:00:22 ING ABOVE THE TOPS OF THE ANTENNA [Captioner] 20:00:25 S, THE HEIGHT OF THE MONOPOLE IS SIMILAR [Captioner] 20:00:28 TO THE HEIGHT OF SIMILAR POLES IN FREMONT. THE [Captioner] 20:00:31 GROUND MOUNTED EQUIPMENT WOULD BE LOCATED [Captioner] 20:00:34 WITHIN AN EXISTING SELF STORAGE UNDER AND A THREE [Captioner] 20:00:38 FOOT TALL FENCE WOULD SURROUND THE POLE [Captioner] 20:00:41 TO CONCEAL THE AIR CONDITIONING CONDENSER [Captioner] 20:00:44 . STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIND THE [Captioner] 20:00:48 PLAN EXEMPT FROM CEQA FOR THE [Captioner] 20:00:51 REASONS ENUMERATED IN THE REPORT, AND [Captioner] 20:00:54 SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL CONTAINED IN EXHIBIT B [Captioner] 20:00:58 . THANK YOU. >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU [Captioner] 20:01:01 JAMES. COMMISSIONERS DO WE HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR [Captioner] 20:01:04 STAFF AT THIS TIME? [Captioner] 20:01:14 COMMISSIONER YEE. >> Commissioner Yee: JAMES I [Captioner] 20:01:17 SAW THE COVERAGE PAP AND WHERE ARE THE NEAR [Captioner] 20:01:20 EST AT&T TOWERS FROM THIS PROPOSED SITE [Captioner] 20:01:24 DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW? >> THAT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION [Captioner] 20:01:28 OF THE APPLICANT. I KNOW OF OTHER FACILITIES [Captioner] 20:01:31 AT THE SITE -- >> Commissioner Yee: I KNOW THERE ARE A FEW [Captioner] 20:01:34 TOWERS ACROSS FROM THE CHURCH. I'M WONDERING IF [Captioner] 20:01:38 THAT'S PART OF THE AT&T SYSTEM AS WELL. >> I DO NOT KNOW WHO [Captioner] 20:01:41 THE CARRIERS ARE FOR THOSE [Captioner] 20:01:44 . >> Commissioner Yee: IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE I WILL ASK. [Captioner] 20:01:48 >> THERE ARE NO OTHER MONOPOLES IN THE AREA BUT I DO [Captioner] 20:01:51 NOT KNOW WHO THE CARRIERS ARE ACROSS THE STREET BUT THEY DID [Captioner] 20:01:54 PROVIDE MAPS SHOWING THERE TO BE A HOLE IN COVERAGE. >> Commissioner Yee: I [Captioner] 20:01:57 SAW THAT. THANK YOU. [Captioner] 20:02:01 >> Commissioner Daulton: COMMISSIONER ZHANG [Captioner] 20:02:04 . >> Commissioner Zhang: THANK YOU CHAIR. [Captioner] 20:02:07 THERE ARE ALREADY TWO PINE TREES ON THE SITE OR VERY CLOSE. [Captioner] 20:02:10 CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA HOW TALL THOSE TREES ARE [Captioner] 20:02:14 ? [Captioner] 20:02:19 OR DO YOU KNOW? >> THE VISUAL SIMULATION THAT THE [Captioner] 20:02:22 APPLICANT PROVIDED MADE IT APPEAR THAT THEY ARE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME [Captioner] 20:02:26 HEIGHT AS THIS TREE, AS THIS POLE. BUT I DON'T HAVE THE [Captioner] 20:02:29 EXACT HEIGHT OF THE TREES UNFORTUNATELY. [Captioner] 20:02:35 >> Commissioner Zhang: OKAY. >> Commissioner Daulton: I TAKE [Captioner] 20:02:39 IT WE DO HAVE AN APPLICANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM [Captioner] 20:02:42 ? IS THAT RIGHT? >> GOOD EVENING, THIS IS TOM JOHNSON. [Captioner] 20:02:45 CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? >> Commissioner Daulton: YES YOU CAN [Captioner] 20:02:48 HEAR YOU. >> THANK YOU JAMES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING [Captioner] 20:02:51 . YOU LEFT LITTLE FOR ME TO CHAT ABOUT BECAUSE YOU DID A VERY [Captioner] 20:02:54 GOOD JOB. COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME [Captioner] 20:02:58 . THIS IS, AS YOU NOTE, AN AT&T [Captioner] 20:03:01 WIRELESS FACILITY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO INSTALL HERE IN THE [Captioner] 20:03:04 CITY OF FREMONT. [Captioner] 20:03:08 THE QUESTION ABOUT EXISTING [Captioner] 20:03:11 TOWERS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORING AREA. WE DO [Captioner] 20:03:14 , AT&T DOES HAVE [Captioner] 20:03:17 SOME -- WE'LL JUST CALL IT [Captioner] 20:03:20 UP AND DOWN THORNTON IS PROBABLY THE BEST SCENARIO, AND [Captioner] 20:03:23 IT LOOKS TO BE ROUGHLY A MILE AWAY [Captioner] 20:03:26 IN EACH DIRECTION. WOULD BE [Captioner] 20:03:30 MY GUESS. BUT I WOULD NEED TO GET EXACT ADDRESS [Captioner] 20:03:34 ES AND PLOT THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE [Captioner] 20:03:37 EXACT DISTANCES FROM THIS LOCATION. [Captioner] 20:03:40 IN REGARDS TO THE EXISTING CHURCH WHERE THOSE OTHER [Captioner] 20:03:44 WIRELESS FACILITIES ARE WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS FACILITY. [Captioner] 20:03:48 AT&T IS OBVIOUSLY WE DO NOT HAVE [Captioner] 20:03:52 ANY USE AT THAT PROPERTY [Captioner] 20:03:55 . THERE IS VERIZON, T-MOBILE AND SPRINT ARE [Captioner] 20:03:58 CURRENTLY AT THAT LOCATION. AT&T IS NOT. [Captioner] 20:04:03 OTHER THAN THAT, I WOULD -- [Captioner] 20:04:07 I'M OPEN TO SOME FURTHER QUESTIONS. [Captioner] 20:04:10 >> Commissioner Daulton: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE [Captioner] 20:04:13 ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT DIRECTLY? [Captioner] 20:04:23 SEEING TO HANDS -- I DO HAVE A HAND, [Captioner] 20:04:26 COMMISSIONER YEE MIDDLE EAST. >> Commissioner Yee: I WANTED TO REITERATE ONE OF THE [Captioner] 20:04:29 QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER ZHANG SAID. THIS IS A [Captioner] 20:04:33 70 FOOT TOWER. TOM HOW DOES THAT [Captioner] 20:04:36 COMPARE TO THE PINE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING THERE NOW? >> YOU KNOW [Captioner] 20:04:39 , I DON'T HAVE THE SURVEY DATA ON WHAT [Captioner] 20:04:42 THOSE EXISTING PINE TREES ARE. I WOULD HAVE TO GO [Captioner] 20:04:46 BACK AND GET AN ASSESSMENT ON WHAT THEY [Captioner] 20:04:49 ARE CURRENTLY AT. MY GUESS IS THEY'RE PROBABLY IN THAT [Captioner] 20:04:52 50 TO 60-FOOT RANGE. BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE [Captioner] 20:04:56 . >> Commissioner Yee: OKAY, THANK YOU. [Captioner] 20:05:01 >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE [Captioner] 20:05:05 APPLICANT, I'D LIKE TO INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. TRISH [Captioner] 20:05:08 DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> Trish Cordova: CHAIR [Captioner] 20:05:11 DAULTON LET ME TAKE A QUICK LOOK HERE. I DO NOT SEE ANY [Captioner] 20:05:14 HANDS OF SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. THANK YOU. [Captioner] 20:05:17 >> Commissioner Daulton: ALL RIGHT, AND THEN IF THE APPLICANT HAS NOTHING [Captioner] 20:05:20 FURTHER TO ADD, DO YOU, MR. JOHNSON [Captioner] 20:05:24 ? >> I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER [Captioner] 20:05:27 TO ADD UNLESS THERE IS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Commissioner Daulton: [Captioner] 20:05:30 I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M GOING TO [Captioner] 20:05:33 CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND SEE IF THERE'S [Captioner] 20:05:37 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR STAFF FROM [Captioner] 20:05:40 THE COMMISSION. IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AS [Captioner] 20:05:43 WELL, PLEASE. [Captioner] 20:05:47 COMMISSIONER YEE, YES. >> Commissioner Yee: YES, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A MOTION [Captioner] 20:05:51 TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> Commissioner Daulton: CAN I GET A [Captioner] 20:05:54 SECOND? >> Commissioner Liu: I'LL SECOND [Captioner] 20:05:57 . >> Commissioner Rao: I CAN SECOND THAT, OH SORRY [Captioner] 20:06:01 . >> Commissioner Daulton: I'M GOING TO GIVE THAT TO COMR [Captioner] 20:06:04 COMMISSIONER RAO. [Captioner] 20:06:07 MOTION AND SECOND. JOEL WILL YOU ROLL CALL THIS [Captioner] 20:06:10 VOTE. >> Planner Pullen: YES CHAIR STARTING WITH A VOTE [Captioner] 20:06:14 TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION STARTING WITH CHAIR DAULTON [Captioner] 20:06:17 . >> Commissioner Daulton: AYE. >> Planner Pullen: VICE CHAIR RAO [Captioner] 20:06:22 ,. >> Commissioner Rao: AYE. >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER YEE [Captioner] 20:06:25 . >> Commissioner Yee: AYE. >> Planner Pullen: SMCTS [Captioner] 20:06:33 COMMISSIONER STECKLER [Captioner] 20:06:37 . >> Commissioner Steckler: AYE [Captioner] 20:06:40 . >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSIONER LIU. [Captioner] 20:06:43 >> Commissioner Liu: AYE. >> Planner Pullen: [Captioner] 20:06:46 COMMISSIONER ZHANG [Captioner] 20:06:50 . [Captioner] 20:06:55 >> Commissioner Zhang: AYE. >> Planner Pullen: AND COMMISSIONER [Captioner] 20:06:59 BASRAI. >> Commissioner Basrai: AYE. [Captioner] 20:07:02 >> Planner Pullen: COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS FINAL. [Captioner] 20:07:07 UNLESS APPEALED [Captioner] 20:07:10 IN TEN DAYS. [Captioner] 20:07:14 >> Commissioner Basrai: COMAWLT I THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DROP OFF [Captioner] 20:07:17 FOR THIS ONE. >> Commissioner Daulton: YOU CAN [Captioner] 20:07:20 WATCH OFF LINE AND YOU CAN JOIN US FOR [Captioner] 20:07:23 THE ADJOURNMENT IF YOU LIKE. >> Commissioner Basrai: THANK YOU SO MUCH [Captioner] 20:07:27 . >> Commissioner Daulton: NEXT ITEM IS THE CENTERVILLE MIXED [Captioner] 20:07:30 USE ENTITLEMENT EXTENSION. JOEL COULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE [Captioner] 20:07:33 THIS ITEM? >> Planner Pullen: YES, [Captioner] 20:07:36 SO THIS PROJECTS IS THE CENTERVILLE MIXED [Captioner] 20:07:40 USE ENTITLEMENT EXTENSION, EXTENSION OF [Captioner] 20:07:44 TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NONE 84 [Captioner] 20:07:47 38. PREEIVELT ENTITLED [Captioner] 20:07:50 UNDER PLN 2023 [Captioner] 20:07:55 27 [Captioner] 20:07:58 -229. FOR [Captioner] 20:08:04 THE FORMER SILICON SAGE CENTERVILLE MIXED-USE PROJECT INCLUDING A DESIGN REVIEW, [Captioner] 20:08:06 PRIVATE STREET, AND VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 8438 LOCATED ON THE VACANT LOT BOUNDED BY FREMONT [Captioner] 20:08:09 BOULEVARD, PERALTA BOULEVARD, JASON WAY, AND PARISH AVENUE (37358 - 37494 FREMONT [Captioner] 20:08:12 BOULEVARD AND 3768 - 3820 PERALTA BOULEVARD), AND TO CONSIDER A FINDING THAT NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW [Captioner] 20:08:19 IS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO CEQA, GUIDELINES PER [Captioner] 20:08:25 WITHOUT LIMITATION, 15162 AND/OR 15183, AS THE PROPOSED APPROVAL EXTENSION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE [Captioner] 20:08:34 PREVIOUSLY PREPARED GUIDELINES [Captioner] 20:08:37 , AND TONIGHT JAMES WILLIS [Captioner] 20:08:40 AGAIN PLANNER FOR THIS ITEM, DOESN'T HAVE A PREPARED PRESENTATION BUT [Captioner] 20:08:43 IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> Commissioner Daulton: [Captioner] 20:08:46 ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU JOEL. COMMISSIONERS? ANY [Captioner] 20:08:51 QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILLIS? [Captioner] 20:08:54 MR. YEE, COMMISSIONER YEE PLEASE. >> Commissioner Yee: [Captioner] 20:08:57 THANK YOU. YES. I [Captioner] 20:09:00 WAS TRYING TO LOOK FOR THE EIR, YOU KNOW FOR THIS [Captioner] 20:09:03 PARTICULAR PROJECT, WAS DATED FROM FEBRUARY 14th [Captioner] 20:09:06 OF 2019. SO I LOOKED ON OUR SITE, JUST SO YOU [Captioner] 20:09:10 KNOW. FOR SOME REASON IT'S MISSING. SO [Captioner] 20:09:13 MY QUESTION THEN IS, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. HOW MANY OF THE UNITS [Captioner] 20:09:16 DID NOT SATISFY THE NOISE REQUIREMENT [Captioner] 20:09:19 ? I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 75, MAYBE SIX OF THEM. [Captioner] 20:09:32 JAMES YOU'RE ON MUTE [Captioner] 20:09:35 . >> Planner Pullen: JAMES DO YOU KNOW THAT INFORMATION? [Captioner] 20:09:38 >> NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT I COULD CHECK THE [Captioner] 20:09:41 MEMO FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING. >> Planner Pullen: [Captioner] 20:09:44 YES, COMMISSIONER YEE THERE WAS A MEMO PROVIDED [Captioner] 20:09:51 TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC ITEM AND GIVEN THAT I WAS THE [Captioner] 20:09:54 ORIGINAL PLANNER OF THE PROJECT IN 2019, WHEN [Captioner] 20:09:59 THIS -- LATE IN THE PROJECT REVIEW WHEN THIS CAME TO COMMISSION [Captioner] 20:10:02 , THAT MEMO WOULD HAVE THE ANSWER. IT'S NOT [Captioner] 20:10:07 REALLY GERMANE TO THE ACTION BEFORE YOU [Captioner] 20:10:11 TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE IS NO PURVIEW THAT THE COMMISSION HAS OVER THE [Captioner] 20:10:15 PREVIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT, PREVIOUS [Captioner] 20:10:18 ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT REMAINS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL [Captioner] 20:10:22 AND COULDN'T BE UNDONE OR MODIFIED OR WHATEVER AS [Captioner] 20:10:26 PART OF THIS ACTION. IT'S BEEN CERTIFIED BY [Captioner] 20:10:29 THE CITY COUNCIL. IN TERMS OF JUST PROVIDING THE DATA, WHAT THE [Captioner] 20:10:32 SITUATION THERE WAS, WAS THE TRAIN [Captioner] 20:10:36 TRACKS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, THEY [Captioner] 20:10:39 HAVE THE VIBRATION FROM THE TRAINS AND THEY HAVE [Captioner] 20:10:43 THE INSTANTANEOUS SOUND OF [Captioner] 20:10:46 THEM BLOWING THE HORN. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BLOW [Captioner] 20:10:49 THEIR HORN AT THAT INTELLECTS, THAT [Captioner] 20:10:53 SOUND OCCURS UP AND DOWN THE ROADWAY, AND [Captioner] 20:10:56 THE HOUSES HAVE MUCH POORER SOUND [Captioner] 20:11:00 INSULATION THAN THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE HAD. CAN'T [Captioner] 20:11:03 FEASIBLY MITIGATE THAT TRAIN-HORN NOISE. YOU [Captioner] 20:11:06 CAN'T MAKE IT GO AWAY FOR THE INSTANTANEOUS [Captioner] 20:11:09 SOUND. HOWEVER, OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD THE [Captioner] 20:11:12 PROJECT COMPLIED FOR OUR NOISE STANDARDS. THAT IS ONE [Captioner] 20:11:16 OF THE REASONS WE DID THE ENVIRONMENT AND HAD THAT RULE [Captioner] 20:11:19 JUST TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED ON THAT ISSUE. [Captioner] 20:11:21 >> Commissioner Yee: YES, I MEAN I DO REMEMBER ALL OF THAT. [Captioner] 20:11:25 I WAS JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW MANY OF THE UNITS [Captioner] 20:11:28 DIDN'T QUITE MEET IT. BECAUSE WHEN THAT TRAIN WHISTLE OR [Captioner] 20:11:31 HORN WOULD SOUND IT WOULD EXCEED THAT NOISE REQUIREMENT [Captioner] 20:11:35 . I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT [Captioner] 20:11:38 , YOU KNOW, EXTENDING THIS PERMIT. AND YOU [Captioner] 20:11:41 KIND OF ALMOST ALLUDED TO, BUT [Captioner] 20:11:45 I GUESS ONE THING THAT I WAS LOOKING AT TO MAYBE MAKE IT [Captioner] 20:11:48 A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR DEVELOPER BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN EXHIBIT [Captioner] 20:11:51 A, IN [Captioner] 20:11:54 SECTION B-3 UNDER D, IT TALKS ABOUT [Captioner] 20:11:58 WORK WITH TRADE UNIONS AND HIRE LOCALLY FOR [Captioner] 20:12:01 CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. I'M JUST WONDERING TO MAKE [Captioner] 20:12:05 IT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THE DEVELOPER TO BE [Captioner] 20:12:09 ABLE TO PREFERENCE TO HIRE FROM THE LOCAL FREMONT BUSINESSES [Captioner] 20:12:12 , AND IF THEY WANT TO WORK WITH THE [Captioner] 20:12:15 TRADE UNIONS, THAT THE TRADE UNIONS HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE AT [Captioner] 20:12:19 LEAST 50% PLUS ONE ARE [Captioner] 20:12:22 FREMONT RESIDENTS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. WOULD IT [Captioner] 20:12:25 BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT ONE LINE ITEM THAT IS [Captioner] 20:12:28 IN THERE IN EXHIBIT A THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PASSED [Captioner] 20:12:33 ? >> Planner Pullen: THE CITY ATTORNEY MAY [Captioner] 20:12:36 BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE BACKGROUND ON THIS [Captioner] 20:12:40 . BUT THAT CONDITION -- >> Commissioner Yee: THE REASON I'M [Captioner] 20:12:43 JUST ASKING IS BECAUSE WITH THE WAY THE HOUSING ENVIRONMENT IS RIGHT NOW [Captioner] 20:12:46 I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR [Captioner] 20:12:49 THE DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THE AFFORDABLE PIECE [Captioner] 20:12:53 THAT WE NEED FOR THIS PROJECT. [Captioner] 20:12:54 >> Planner Pullen: I HEAR YOU COMMISSIONER. [Captioner] 20:12:59 SO THAT CONDITION SPECIFICALLY WAS ADDED AT [Captioner] 20:13:02 THE COUNCIL MEETING, BASED ON SOME PEOPLE WHO SHOWED [Captioner] 20:13:05 UP BACK IN MARCH, 2019. AND IT WAS [Captioner] 20:13:09 TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF THEY [Captioner] 20:13:12 CAN COME TO AN ARRANGEMENT ON THE USE [Captioner] 20:13:15 OF LABOR. THAT CAN'T [Captioner] 20:13:18 BE ENFORCED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, OR [Captioner] 20:13:22 IN ANY SPECIFIC WAY BY [Captioner] 20:13:25 THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT BECAUSE THAT TOPIC IS NOT UP [Captioner] 20:13:28 FOR YOUR REVIEW AS A SEPARATE [Captioner] 20:13:32 ITEM. SO HEATHER, CAN YOU CLARIFY IF THAT'S [Captioner] 20:13:34 CORRECT OR IF I'M MITTSING SOMETHING? >> [Captioner] 20:13:38 NO, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. THAT ITEM'S [Captioner] 20:13:41 NOT PART OF THE NOTICED ACTION. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT [Captioner] 20:13:44 WOULD WANT -- YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT WOULD SEEK TO HAVE CONSIDERED [Captioner] 20:13:48 DOWN THE ROAD I THINK THAT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK BUT IT'S NOT [Captioner] 20:13:50 -- AMENDING THAT CONDITION IS NOT BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. [Captioner] 20:13:59 >> Commissioner Yee: OKAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR [Captioner] 20:14:02 THE DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. BECAUSE AS YOU'VE SEEN [Captioner] 20:14:05 IN THE PAST WITH, YOU KNOW, AND JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW THIS IS [Captioner] 20:14:09 A FORMER [Captioner] 20:14:12 SILICON SAGE PROJECT AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR [Captioner] 20:14:15 PROJECTS GO THROUGH. WE'VE SEEN -- WE'VE GIVEN THE [Captioner] 20:14:18 GREEN LIGHT TO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND THEY DON'T COME THROUGH [Captioner] 20:14:21 TO FRUITION. SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE [Captioner] 20:14:24 GET IT TO THE TROOUTION. [Captioner] 20:14:33 TO FRUITION. >> Planner Pullen: [Captioner] 20:14:37 JUST THIS PROJECT IS VERY UNIQUE [Captioner] 20:14:41 TO THE SILICON SAGE ENTITY. [Captioner] 20:14:45 THERE WERE SOME CHARGES BROUGHT BY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES [Captioner] 20:14:48 RELATED TO THE ENTITIES THAT BROUGHT THIS FORWARD THE FIRST TIME [Captioner] 20:14:51 AND THIS IN ADDITION TO ANOTHER PROPERTY IN TREATMENT WERE TIED UP [Captioner] 20:14:55 BY RECEIVERSHIP AND SO THE APPLICANT THAT'S BEFORE YOU [Captioner] 20:14:58 TONIGHT VERY RECENTLY [Captioner] 20:15:01 FORECLOSED ON THE PROPERTY JUST IN TIME TO GET [Captioner] 20:15:04 THIS EXTENSION IN, IN ORDER TO [Captioner] 20:15:08 PRESERVE THEIR RIGHTS TO PURSUE WITH [Captioner] 20:15:11 THE PROJECT IF THEY'RE ABLE TO. AND [Captioner] 20:15:14 SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- IT'S NOT EVERY DAY [Captioner] 20:15:18 THIS HAPPENS, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF THE PROJECT SITTING [Captioner] 20:15:21 AND THE APPLICANT NOT MOVING FORWARD ON IT. IT'S A RECEIVER [Captioner] 20:15:24 WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO ANYTHING [Captioner] 20:15:28 OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE COURT ALLOWS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE [Captioner] 20:15:31 BEEN DEALING WITH FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS. [Captioner] 20:15:34 SO NOW WE'VE GOT AN OWNER WHO STATES THEY HAVE [Captioner] 20:15:37 THE WHEREWITHAL TO BRING THIS FORWARD OR TO [Captioner] 20:15:41 DO SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE [Captioner] 20:15:44 TRYING TO PRESERVE. IN THE MEANTIME IT'S [Captioner] 20:15:47 A CHALLENGE FOR THE CITY. >> Commissioner Daulton: I [Captioner] 20:15:50 SEE MR. [Captioner] 20:15:53 KEVLIN HAS HIS HAND UP HERE. IS [Captioner] 20:15:56 HE ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICANT [Captioner] 20:16:00 ? >> Planner Pullen: YES. IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO GO TO [Captioner] 20:16:03 THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION. >> Commissioner Daulton: OKAY, LET'S HEAR FROM THE [Captioner] 20:16:07 APPLICANT THEN. YES, MR. KEVLIN. [Captioner] 20:16:10 >> THANK YOU CHAIRPERSON DAULTON. AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS [Captioner] 20:16:13 , I'M JOHN KEVLIN, WITH THE [Captioner] 20:16:16 LAW FIRM OF RUBIN J [Captioner] 20:16:19 UNIS AND ROSE. I'M [Captioner] 20:16:23 HERE FOR THE PROJECT [Captioner] 20:16:26 , CENTERVILLE MIXED USE ENTITLEMENTS WHICH [Captioner] 20:16:29 WERE GRANTED BY THE CITY IN 2019 AND [Captioner] 20:16:33 AUTHORIZED ON THIS FOUR PLUS ACRE [Captioner] 20:16:36 SITE. ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN WORKING [Captioner] 20:16:40 DILIGENTLY TO MOVE IT FORWARD SINCE THE PROJECT [Captioner] 20:16:44 SPONSOR WENT INTO BANKRUPTCY. [Captioner] 20:16:47 THE ENTITLEMENTS [Captioner] 20:16:50 WENT IN 2022, [Captioner] 20:16:53 DESPITE THESE EFFORTS THEY ONLY WERE ABLE TO [Captioner] 20:16:56 OBTAIN TITLE TO THE PROPERTY IN [Captioner] 20:16:59 2022. NOT MUCH TIME PASSED BETWEEN THEN AND WHEN THE [Captioner] 20:17:03 ENTITLEMENTS EXPIRED. SINCE THEN THEY HIRED A [Captioner] 20:17:06 PROMINENT [Captioner] 20:17:09 CONSTRUCTION FIRM BDE, AS WELL AS MYSELF, LAND USE ATTORNEY [Captioner] 20:17:13 AND WE'RE ALL WORKING DILIGENTLY TOWARDS LOOK [Captioner] 20:17:16 ING TO THESE CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS AND [Captioner] 20:17:19 WORKING TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. OBVIOUSLY THIS [Captioner] 20:17:22 FALL ECONOMIC CONDITIONS DETERIORATED [Captioner] 20:17:25 ESPECIALLY IN THE FINANCIAL MARKETS, AND THE ABILITY TO [Captioner] 20:17:29 FINANCE A DEVELOPMENT IS MORE CHALLENGING, SO [Captioner] 20:17:32 WE'RE HERE TONIGHT LOOKING FOR THE TWO YEAR EXTENSION ALLOWING US [Captioner] 20:17:35 TO WORK ON THE ENTITLEMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT AND POSITION THE DEVELOPMENT TO BE [Captioner] 20:17:38 ABLE TO BREAK GROUND IN THE YEARS TO COME. [Captioner] 20:17:42 SAHIL GANDHI IS [Captioner] 20:17:45 HERE I'M HERE AS WELL AS OUR PLANNING CONSULTANT IN CASE YOU HAVE [Captioner] 20:17:49 QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER YEE I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTIVE [Captioner] 20:17:52 NESS TOWARDS MAKING THIS [Captioner] 20:17:55 PROJECT WORK, OUR TEAM IS FOCUSING OFTEN PRETTY [Captioner] 20:17:58 CLOSELY AT THE MOMENT AND WE PLAN TO [Captioner] 20:18:02 HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY STAFF HERE IN THE [Captioner] 20:18:05 NEAR FUTURE BUT TO KEEP THIS PROJECT GOING NEED [Captioner] 20:18:08 THAT ENTITLEMENT EXTENSION SO WE STILL HAVE THE PROJECT [Captioner] 20:18:11 TO BE WORKING WITH. LIKE I SAID I'M HERE WITH ANY QUESTIONS. [Captioner] 20:18:14 WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU ALL SUPPORT THE EXTENSION. [Captioner] 20:18:18 >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY [Captioner] 20:18:21 QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER YEE [Captioner] 20:18:26 . >> Commissioner Yee: YES. SO MR. KE [Captioner] 20:18:29 VLIN IF WE GRANTth YOU THIS [Captioner] 20:18:32 EXTENSION, WHEN DO YOU PLAN OR WHEN DO YOU FORESEE [Captioner] 20:18:35 YOU ACTUALLY COULD BREAK GROUND TO [Captioner] 20:18:38 START THE PROJECT ? S [Captioner] 20:18:41 AHIL DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT ONE [Captioner] 20:18:51 >> SAHIL DO YOU WANT TO STAY THAT ONE? [Captioner] 20:18:54 BEFORE SAHIL TAKES THAT, [Captioner] 20:18:57 THE WORLD HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT, LAND [Captioner] 20:19:01 USE POLICY HAS CHANGED QUITE A [Captioner] 20:19:04 BIT. WE ARE LOOKING AND MAKING SURE THIS [Captioner] 20:19:07 IS THE TYPE OF PROJECT TO COME OUT OF THE GROUND AS [Captioner] 20:19:10 UPON. THAT IS THE POSITION FROM [Captioner] 20:19:13 A ZONING PERSPECTIVE AND SAHIL YOU [Captioner] 20:19:17 MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO FINANCING AND [Captioner] 20:19:20 THOSE SORTS OF THINGS FOR COMMISSIONER YEE. >> EXACTLY [Captioner] 20:19:23 . I DON'T HAVE ANT EXACT ANSWER I CAN [Captioner] 20:19:26 PROVIDE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF [Captioner] 20:19:29 DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS, LIKE JOHN HAS MENTION [Captioner] 20:19:33 ED, THERE'S FINANCING [Captioner] 20:19:37 , CERTAINLY BE ONE OF THEM. BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE [Captioner] 20:19:41 TO, YOU KNOW, TO [Captioner] 20:19:45 MOVE IT AS [Captioner] 20:19:48 QUICK A PACE AS POSSIBLE. >> AND COMMISSIONER, THE [Captioner] 20:19:51 FACT THAT WE'VE GOT THIS TEAM INVOLVED WE ARE READY TO [Captioner] 20:19:55 COME IN AND START WORKING WITH STAFF AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PRETTY [Captioner] 20:19:58 SHORTLY AFTER WE MOVE THROUGH THIS EXTENSION PROCESS [Captioner] 20:20:01 . SO WE ARE -- WE HAVE A TEAM [Captioner] 20:20:04 INVOLVED MOVING THIS FORWARD AS QUICKLY AND AS PRODUCTIVELY [Captioner] 20:20:08 AS WE CAN. >> Commissioner Yee: I APPRECIATE THAT BUT IT WOULD BE [Captioner] 20:20:11 NICE TO KNOW ROUGHLY KIND OF A TIME LINE. [Captioner] 20:20:14 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY GOT BURNED ONCE [Captioner] 20:20:17 . YOU KNOW, WITH THE PREVIOUS. [Captioner] 20:20:20 AND I DON'T WANT TO MENTION THE NAME BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTION [Captioner] 20:20:24 ED SEVERAL TIMES. BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO [Captioner] 20:20:27 MAKE SURE TO PROTECT OUR CITY SO THAT WHEN WE DO GIVE THE [Captioner] 20:20:30 GREEN LIGHT TO BUILD, THAT IT [Captioner] 20:20:33 ACTUALLY COMES TO FRUITION AND TRY TO FIND WAYS TO [Captioner] 20:20:37 MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES HAPPEN. ESPECIALLY, THIS IS [Captioner] 20:20:40 AN IMPORTANT PROJECT, TO ENSURE THE LIVELIHOOD AND REINVIGORATE [Captioner] 20:20:44 THAT CENTERVILLE DISTRICT AND ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE [Captioner] 20:20:47 AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECES THAT ARE INCLUDED INTO THIS PROJECT [Captioner] 20:20:50 . WHICH IS SO MUCH IN DEMAND RIGHT NOW FOR US AS A [Captioner] 20:20:53 CITY. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT [Captioner] 20:20:57 ACTUALLY HAPPENS. BUT THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST TRYING [Captioner] 20:21:00 TO FIGURE OUT ROUGHLY KIND OF A TIME LINE. BECAUSE YOU [Captioner] 20:21:03 WANTED A TWO YEAR EXTENSION AND MY CONCERN IS I GIVE YOU [Captioner] 20:21:06 A TWO YEAR EXTENSION, TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FROM [Captioner] 20:21:09 NOW, ALSO CAN WE HAVE A TWO YEAR EXTENSION? I'D [Captioner] 20:21:12 LIKE TO SEE THIS GET DONE, NOT JUST SITTING THERE [Captioner] 20:21:15 AND WE'VE GOT AN OVER FOUR ACRE PIECE OF DIRT [Captioner] 20:21:19 JUST COLLECTING RAIN RIGHT NOW. [Captioner] 20:21:22 >> AND COMMISSIONER I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER, I [Captioner] 20:21:25 DON'T KNOW THEM, OBVIOUSLY I'VE HEARD [Captioner] 20:21:28 THE HISTORY, BUT BELOU [Captioner] 20:21:31 R ASSOCIATES, THEY ARE A VERY PROMINENT DEVELOPER [Captioner] 20:21:35 IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. THIS THE NO, SIR A MERE PAPER INVESTMENT. [Captioner] 20:21:38 THEY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE OF GETTING HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS OUT [Captioner] 20:21:41 OF THE GROUND AND CERTAINLY THE KIND OF WORK WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS [Captioner] 20:21:44 VERY FOCUSED ON THAT EXACT ISSUE. [Captioner] 20:21:48 YOU KNOW, TINKERING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT [Captioner] 20:21:51 THE WAY WE NEED TO, TO MAKE IT WORK TO MOVE [Captioner] 20:21:55 IT TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. [Captioner] 20:21:59 WE'VE EXPERIENCED DILIGENCE SINCE WE PURCHASED [Captioner] 20:22:02 THE PROPERTY IN JULY AND YOU'LL SEE THAT CONTINUE. >> Commissioner Yee: ALL RIGHT, [Captioner] 20:22:05 THANK YOU. >> Commissioner Daulton: COMMISSIONER ZHANG, [Captioner] 20:22:09 PLEASE. [Captioner] 20:22:10 >> Commissioner Zhang: THANK YOU CHAIR. [Captioner] 20:22:13 THE CHAIR HAS BEEN DOWN FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS [Captioner] 20:22:16 , I PASS THAT SITE OFTEN AND CURRENTLY THERE ARE FANS [Captioner] 20:22:19 S WITH CROSS LINK EBS FENCES [Captioner] 20:22:23 WITH KIND OF VISIBILITY TO EVERYWHERE OF THIS SITE. WONDER WHETHER YOU [Captioner] 20:22:27 CAN HELP LIKE CREATE A MORE [Captioner] 20:22:32 PERMANENT FENCE ESPECIALLY ALONG THE FREMONT BOULEVARD TO MAKE IT [Captioner] 20:22:35 A LITTLE BIT LESS VISIBLE? BECAUSE [Captioner] 20:22:40 THE [Captioner] 20:22:45 OVER GROUND EXPOSED TO WHENEVER I DRIVE [Captioner] 20:22:48 BY. >> CERTAINLY, WE CAN TAKE THAT [Captioner] 20:22:51 COMMENT INTO CONSIDERATION AND SAHIL [Captioner] 20:22:54 , I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO FOLLOW ARE UP ON THAT JUST BEING CLOSER [Captioner] 20:22:57 TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SITE AT THE MOMENT. [Captioner] 20:23:01 >> [Captioner] 20:23:04 >> Commissioner Zhang: I WONDER IF WE CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION IF WE [Captioner] 20:23:07 APPROVE THIS? >> Commissioner Daulton: I SUSPECT WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT A [Captioner] 20:23:10 CONDITION BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY REQUEST THAT OF [Captioner] 20:23:14 THE LAND OWNER. I THINK I WOULD AGREE THAT WE [Captioner] 20:23:17 NEED TO RESOLVE [Captioner] 20:23:20 THE BLIGHTED LOOK OF THE PROPERTY AS IT [Captioner] 20:23:23 STANDS RIGHT NOW. IT'S -- EVEN [Captioner] 20:23:26 THE -- EVEN THE LINK FENCE IS [Captioner] 20:23:29 IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR [Captioner] 20:23:32 ESPECIALLY ON PARISH ROAD, I THINK [Captioner] 20:23:37 . >> Commissioner Zhang: AGREE. >> Commissioner Daulton: [Captioner] 20:23:40 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BECAUSE [Captioner] 20:23:43 I KNOW THAT [Captioner] 20:23:46 , WELL, LOOKING AT THE PROJECT SIGNALS ON [Captioner] 20:23:49 PAGE 3 OF THE STAFF REPORT, I [Captioner] 20:23:53 SEE I NEED SOME KIND OF UNDERSTANDING [Captioner] 20:23:57 OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE [Captioner] 20:24:00 NOISE ISSUE ON THIS SITE AND STATE LAW FOR [Captioner] 20:24:03 BUILDING CODES. [Captioner] 20:24:07 INTERIOR NOISE. BECAUSE IF WE ARE MAKING [Captioner] 20:24:11 A DETERMINATION [Captioner] 20:24:14 THAT WE ARE GOING TO SUPERSEDE [Captioner] 20:24:17 CALIFORNIA LAW HERE THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE [Captioner] 20:24:20 SATISFIED BOTH OF THOSE REASONS [Captioner] 20:24:24 TO DENY THIS EXTENSION. AS FAR AS I KNOW CALIFORNIA [Captioner] 20:24:27 LAW SAYS INTERIOR NOISE LEVELS CAN'T [Captioner] 20:24:30 EXCEED 45 DECIBELS. SO THAT'S THE [Captioner] 20:24:34 CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. AND THIS [Captioner] 20:24:37 PROJECT MINIMUM COMES IN AT 50 DECIBELS BY THE [Captioner] 20:24:40 TRAIN TRACK, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? [Captioner] 20:24:43 AND AS FAR AS I RECALL, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, [Captioner] 20:24:46 BECAUSE I WAS AT ALL THE MEETINGS FOR THIS PROJECT [Captioner] 20:24:49 AT CITY COUNCIL WHEN IT WAS A LIVE MEETING, [Captioner] 20:24:53 CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN EVEN HIGHER DECIBEL [Captioner] 20:24:56 USE RANGE FOR THIS PROJECT AT THE TRAIN TRACK [Captioner] 20:25:01 UNITS UP TO 65 DISBELLS, I THINK [Captioner] 20:25:04 DECIBELS, I THINK [Captioner] 20:25:07 . SO I JUST WANT TO RECONCILE, YOU KNOW, MY VOTE HERE [Captioner] 20:25:10 WITH CALIFORNIA LAW [Captioner] 20:25:13 AND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THIS [Captioner] 20:25:16 PROJECT. [Captioner] 20:25:20 >> SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IS NOT WHAT'S BEFORE THE COMMISSION [Captioner] 20:25:23 RIGHT NOW. THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WAS ALREADY DONE [Captioner] 20:25:26 THROUGH THE CEQA PROCESS FOR ORIGINAL ENTITLEMENT AND [Captioner] 20:25:30 THAT WAS THE RESULT OF -- RESULTED [Captioner] 20:25:33 IN THE EIR. FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE UNITS [Captioner] 20:25:36 , THEY WILL NEED TO CONFORM TO BUILDING [Captioner] 20:25:39 CODE STANDARDS AND TO WHATEVER [Captioner] 20:25:43 STANDARDS WERE CONTAINED IN THE EIR, [Captioner] 20:25:46 WHICH THOSE NOISE STUDIES WILL BE DONE DURING [Captioner] 20:25:49 THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PHASE [Captioner] 20:25:52 TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WINDOWS AND [Captioner] 20:25:56 INSULATION WILL BE CERTIFIED TO MEET THOSE [Captioner] 20:25:59 NOISE STANDARDS THROUGH STC RATINGS, [Captioner] 20:26:03 SOUND TRANSITION CO-OFFICIANT [Captioner] 20:26:11 COEFFICIENT RATINGS, HAS [Captioner] 20:26:14 TO MEET ALL THOSE STANDARDS, VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER [Captioner] 20:26:15 . SORRY? >> Commissioner Daulton: MY [Captioner] 20:26:18 UNDERSTANDING IS CITY COUNCIL HAD MADE AN ALLOWANCE FOR [Captioner] 20:26:22 THIS PROJECT TO EXCEED THE GENERAL PLAN LIMITATION ON [Captioner] 20:26:25 NIGHT TIME DECIBELS BECAUSE OF THE TRAIN [Captioner] 20:26:28 HORNS. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE IN THE DOCUMENTATION [Captioner] 20:26:31 THAT YOU PROVIDED US. AND [Captioner] 20:26:35 SO AM I -- [Captioner] 20:26:39 AM I INTERFERING WITH STATE LAW BY APPROVING [Captioner] 20:26:42 THIS PROJECT? WHAT I WANT TO HEAR IS THAT NO [Captioner] 20:26:46 , COMMISSIONER DAULTON, YOU'RE [Captioner] 20:26:50 NOT, IS THAT RIGHT? >> Planner Pullen: NO [Captioner] 20:26:54 , COMMISSIONER DAULTON, YOU'RE NOT. >> Commissioner Daulton: THAT'S WHAT I WANTED [Captioner] 20:26:57 TO HEAR. >> Planner Pullen: BUT LET ME TRY TO GIVE AN ANSWER [Captioner] 20:27:00 WITHOUT BEING TOO OPAQUE [Captioner] 20:27:03 . IT'S -- SO THERE IS A GENERAL PLAN CONSISTENT [Captioner] 20:27:07 CY DETERMINATION HERE, THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCIL WHEN [Captioner] 20:27:11 THEY APPROVED THE PROJECT THAT REMAINS A DECISION THAT THEY MADE AND [Captioner] 20:27:14 WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT. [Captioner] 20:27:24 THERE WAS A DETERMINATION THAT THE [Captioner] 20:27:29 INSTANTANEOUS NOISE CAN'T BE RESOLVED [Captioner] 20:27:32 . HOWEVER AMBIENT NOISE IS MET FOR THE [Captioner] 20:27:36 OUTSIDE ENVIRONMENT, [Captioner] 20:27:40 SOUND COEFFICIENT FINDINGS [Captioner] 20:27:44 , THEY HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE DON'T THAT EFFICIENTLY [Captioner] 20:27:47 . THEY HAVEN'T DESIGNED A BUILDING YET, WE WILL GET [Captioner] 20:27:51 TO PLAN OF THE BUILDING AND WE'LL GET TO MAKE SURE [Captioner] 20:27:54 THEY MEET THAT STANDARD. BUT THEY CAN'T AND THEY DON'T HAVE [Captioner] 20:27:57 TO MEET THE STANDARD THAT YOU CAN'T HEAR A [Captioner] 20:28:01 TRAIN INSTANTANEOUS [Captioner] 20:28:04 LY THROUGH THE TRAIN, THAT'S NOT THE TEST. >> Commissioner Daulton: [Captioner] 20:28:07 I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, I JUST KNOW THE EXPERIENCE OF THE [Captioner] 20:28:10 PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR ME WHO HAVE [Captioner] 20:28:15 SPENT [Captioner] 20:28:23 YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE WITH [Captioner] 20:28:26 THESE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT HAPPEN IS [Captioner] 20:28:30 THAT [Captioner] 20:28:35 THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT GO BACK AND LOOK AT [Captioner] 20:28:39 WHO APPROVED THE PROJECT TO BLAME. AND SO IF THERE IS [Captioner] 20:28:42 GOING TO BE A SUPERSEDING [Captioner] 20:28:45 STATE LAW ON THE DECIBEL LEVEL MANY THEN [Captioner] 20:28:48 I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT I'M [Captioner] 20:28:52 NOT [Captioner] 20:28:55 -- THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, [Captioner] 20:28:58 LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. >> Planner Pullen: THAT DECISION [Captioner] 20:29:02 WAS PREVIOUSLY MADE. >> Commissioner Daulton: OKAY, ALL RIGHT [Captioner] 20:29:06 . ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS [Captioner] 20:29:09 ? ALL RIGHT, THEN MAY I HAVE A MOTION [Captioner] 20:29:14 ? >> Planner Pullen: WE HAVEN'T [Captioner] 20:29:17 HEARD NOW -- I'M GOING TO STEP IN [Captioner] 20:29:20 , PUBLIC COMMENT, MAKE SURE WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC [Captioner] 20:29:23 AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS A CHANCE TO REBUT. [Captioner] 20:29:27 >> Commissioner Daulton: TRISH DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? [Captioner] 20:29:30 >> Trish Cordova: YES WE DO, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, [Captioner] 20:29:33 I'LL GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE THE SPEAKER. KELLY [Captioner] 20:29:38 I'M ALLOWING YOU TO SPEAK ONE MOMENT. LET'S SEE HERE. [Captioner] 20:29:44 >> ALL RIGHT. >> Trish Cordova: I DID AND IT'S NOT [Captioner] 20:29:47 -- YES, KELLY. [Captioner] 20:29:50 HE'S HERE NOW. >> I THINK I'M ALREADY [Captioner] 20:29:53 -- >> Trish Cordova: THANK YOU. >> YEAH, WE NEVER HAVE TO [Captioner] 20:29:56 THANK THE CITY STAFF, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE [Captioner] 20:30:00 CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, FOR ALL THAT THEY'VE DONE [Captioner] 20:30:04 HERE TO REALLY ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD [Captioner] 20:30:07 . YOU KNOW, THIS -- IT'S KIND OF [Captioner] 20:30:10 LIKE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE DEAD STORES IN A MALL [Captioner] 20:30:13 AND WHAT DO YOU DO YOU PUT UP WINDOW DRESSINGS [Captioner] 20:30:17 AND COVERINGS AND PRETTY UP THE GLASS AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE [Captioner] 20:30:20 IT'S ACTIVE AND ARTISTIC. EEN THOUGH MALL IS ALL [Captioner] 20:30:24 IF YOU OF DEAD STORES. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO HERE [Captioner] 20:30:27 , THAT IS VERY MALL-ISTIC OR ARTISTIC [Captioner] 20:30:30 TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. OR YOU [Captioner] 20:30:33 HAVE THIS CONCERN WITH ABOUT THE CHOU CHOU [Captioner] 20:30:40 CH [Captioner] 20:30:45 CHOOOO TRAINS [Captioner] 20:30:49 THAT HAVE LIVING IN THE FINEST [Captioner] 20:30:52 MODERN TECHNOLOGY TO TRY TO INTRODUCE THAT NOISE AND [Captioner] 20:30:57 I GUARANTEE NOBODY ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ANY ABILITY TO REDUCE [Captioner] 20:31:00 THAT NOISE. WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN [Captioner] 20:31:04 DOING HERE? THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN IN AN [Captioner] 20:31:07 ETHEREAL PLANE OF THEORY AND [Captioner] 20:31:10 FANTASY AND TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO FAST THIS [Captioner] 20:31:14 THING JUST GIVE THEM 18 MONTHS, NOT TWO YEARS, TELL THEM [Captioner] 20:31:17 TO START DIGGING THE DIRT AND DOING [Captioner] 20:31:20 SOMETHING REAL WITHIN 18 MONTHS OR [Captioner] 20:31:24 THEIR ENTITLEMENT FAILS OR WHATEVER IT IS. [Captioner] 20:31:27 WHATEVER YOU'VE DONE FOR THE TRAIN NOISE YOU HAVE DONE THE [Captioner] 20:31:30 MOST HUMANLY POSSIBLE, YOU LET SOMEBODY COME IN [Captioner] 20:31:33 TAKE AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD OF OLD BUILDINGS AND DESTROY THEM ALL [Captioner] 20:31:36 SO THERE'S NOBODY THERE ANYMORE AND THE WHOLE [Captioner] 20:31:39 THING IS A FOUR ACRE EMPTY [Captioner] 20:31:43 LOT AND THIS CITY HAS TURNED INTO AN EMPTY LIKE [Captioner] 20:31:46 A DOUGHNUT WITH AN [Captioner] 20:31:49 EMPTY CORE, COMPLETELY VACANT, [Captioner] 20:31:52 COMPLETELY -- THIS IS A DISASTER AND YOU'RE SITTING HERE ARGUE ABOUT [Captioner] 20:31:55 NOISE LEVELS. YOU'VE ALREADY ELIMINATED ALL THE NOISE. [Captioner] 20:31:58 THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO LISTEN TO THEM. WE NEED TO GET THIS THING [Captioner] 20:32:01 GOING AND HOW CAN YOU LET PEOPLE START DEMOLISHING [Captioner] 20:32:05 BUILDINGS WITHOUT ANY INSURANCE THAT BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY [Captioner] 20:32:08 ANY [Captioner] 20:32:11 ASSURANCE THAT BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET [Captioner] 20:32:15 BUILT. YOU THAT IS A SHAME. YOU [Captioner] 20:32:18 ARE DEMOLISHING BUILDINGS [Captioner] 20:32:22 WITHOUT WITHOUT SHURG ANYTHING BETTER. [Captioner] 20:32:24 >> Commissioner Daulton: THANK YOU KELLY. [Captioner] 20:32:28 AT THIS TIME WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO ANY OF THE [Captioner] 20:32:31 COMMENTS THAT HE'S HEARD [Captioner] 20:32:39 We are he here if you have any questions. >> [Captioner] 20:32:42 Okay, thank you. Commissioners, any further questions [Captioner] 20:32:45 or comments on this item? Seeing none, I [Captioner] 20:32:48 will take a [Captioner] 20:32:51 motion. >> I make motion to accept staff [Captioner] 20:32:55 recommendation. >> I go ahead get a [Captioner] 20:32:58 second? >> Second. Thank you, [Captioner] 20:33:01 commissioner. I have a motion and a second could you roll [Captioner] 20:33:04 call this item? >> Yes, chair [Captioner] 20:33:08 on a motion by commissioner [Captioner] 20:33:11 ye, second by commissioner Steckler [Captioner] 20:33:15 letter to approve staff [Captioner] 20:33:18 recommendation. [roll call] [Captioner] 20:33:48 The vote is 6 in favor, none [Captioner] 20:33:51 opposed with one abstention approve the staff [Captioner] 20:33:56 recommendation. Planning commission action on this is final, unless [Captioner] 20:33:59 it appeals once again. >> That is a recusal, [Captioner] 20:34:02 not an abstention. >> [Captioner] 20:34:05 Yes, story that. >> That's what [Captioner] 20:34:10 I said. >> All right so that's [Captioner] 20:34:13 the end of our agenda items. See nothing discussion [Captioner] 20:34:17 items, do we have any special information from staff or the [Captioner] 20:34:20 commission at this time? Any [Captioner] 20:34:26 announcements? >> I [Captioner] 20:34:30 have one announcement, which is I am [Captioner] 20:34:33 laser focused on the city's housing [Captioner] 20:34:36 announcement it will come to you before [Captioner] 20:34:39 December 22. That's before the break starts for the city. [Captioner] 20:34:42 Friday is a holiday. Get your hot cocoa and whatever [Captioner] 20:34:46 snacks and come to our meeting. We've got [Captioner] 20:34:49 the housing element document on our website already it [Captioner] 20:34:52 has been there since August, I believe, when we gave it [Captioner] 20:34:56 to, in the draft form, when we gave it to the [Captioner] 20:35:01 state. Speed hd provided comments on [Captioner] 20:35:04 that housing development and before [Captioner] 20:35:07 Thanksgiving and the comment letters are on the website [Captioner] 20:35:10 about four or five pages long, and our job now is [Captioner] 20:35:14 to respond to those comments from the state and bring it to [Captioner] 20:35:17 you. Please do come, we need everybody at our [Captioner] 20:35:21 regularly-scheduled December 22 meeting so you can make a recommendation on [Captioner] 20:35:24 that to the city council on the 10th. And you [Captioner] 20:35:27 don't have to wait until the Friday before the meeting in [Captioner] 20:35:31 the 22nd because it is such a lengthy document, if you would like [Captioner] 20:35:35 to familiarize yourself with it early, we're going to [Captioner] 20:35:38 release the document early in the previous week and it is [Captioner] 20:35:42 already on the website, as mentioned. Thank you. >> Thank [Captioner] 20:35:45 you, Joel. We're all root forget staff, I'm sure, on the [Captioner] 20:35:48 success of that document. Any [Captioner] 20:35:52 other comments or [Captioner] 20:35:55 items from the commission? Seeing none, I adjourn [Captioner] 20:35:58 this -- >> Whoa, I do. >> Okay. [Captioner] 20:36:01 >> I do. Yeah, let me put the raised hand [Captioner] 20:36:04 up again. >> Okay. Just, real quick, [Captioner] 20:36:08 I just came back from the league of California cities [Captioner] 20:36:11 meeting. I attended with more than 100 city leaders throughout [Captioner] 20:36:15 California and I just wanted to share there's four items [Captioner] 20:36:18 that we developed [Captioner] 20:36:21 as an advocacy priors for 2023 so [Captioner] 20:36:24 I want to share real quick what they are. That they're [Captioner] 20:36:27 trying to ensure for us at the state level so [Captioner] 20:36:30 first one is to protect and expand [Captioner] 20:36:34 investments to prevent and reduce homelessless. [Captioner] 20:36:37 That's the first one. Second is town address the [Captioner] 20:36:40 supply and affordability of housing while retaining [Captioner] 20:36:43 local decision making. The third one is improve public safety [Captioner] 20:36:47 in California communities and the last one is [Captioner] 20:36:50 is to safeguard essential local revenues and [Captioner] 20:36:53 support fiscal sustainability family any of you want more [Captioner] 20:36:57 details, you can always reach out to me and I would be more than happy to [Captioner] 20:37:00 go into detalls about each and every one of these [Captioner] 20:37:03 things. These are the four. I can send to staff [Captioner] 20:37:07 the link to this page that I'm looking at [Captioner] 20:37:10 right now on the web. >> All right. Thank you, [Captioner] 20:37:13 Ben. Admirable goals for any city. [Captioner] 20:37:16 If we have no further comments, though, I [Captioner] 20:37:19 am going to adjourn. Going once, [Captioner] 20:37:23 going twice. Sold. We are adjourned.